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[Khalithar]

As an aside, there is no such thing as a "bad" playstyle as it's something completely subjective. Sure, some styles won't be as effective in getting the job done, but that depends on popular opinion and the current circumstances at hand, so I highly recommend you guys get out of that mindset.

Absolutely disagree, especially when it comes to DPS classes. In this game each dps class has exactly one proper rotation of abilities with no deviation. This isn't a player pressure thing you'd see in WoW (i.e. if you want to dps as a Rogue you must be this spec or you suck etc.) the developers of this game clearly intended for each dps class to be played a very specific way.

[MaeIsMean]

Absolutely disagree, especially when it comes to DPS classes. In this game each dps class has exactly one proper rotation of abilities with no deviation. This isn't a player pressure thing you'd see in WoW (i.e. if you want to dps as a Rogue you must be this spec or you suck etc.) the developers of this game clearly intended for each dps class to be played a very specific way.

The problem is when people expect you to know and execute said "proper rotation" flawlessly all the time. Even if you are in a dungeon for the first time. I hate when people point and laugh and say "Haha, you just want to be carried!" because someone is learning and not doing things perfectly. With how fast it is to level these days (POTD has not helped this), it's easy to get a class to 60. And some of the job guides on this very forum are confusing as hell for someone who isn't 60 and in the best gear.

[Khalithar]

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I can sort of see your point here. But I'm addressing people that don't do these rotations or even try to while still claiming their damage is fine. This is going to be purely anecdotal fair enough, but it's to give you an idea of the sort of stuff I'm referring to specifically.

In Sohr Khai, I had a dragoon in the party that used True Thrust, Heavy Thrust, and Impulse Drive with no other weaponskills included whatsoever. They completely ignored their combos. I wish I was kidding, I even told them their rotations and the buttons to hit but they completely ignored me, after a second attempt on the horse boss with absolutely no improvement (we ran out of gravestones at 70-80% because the drg's damage was so awful) despite me telling the drg how to properly do the rotation, I was ignored. I told them they were the worst drg I've ever seen and quit the party in disgust. The drg in question was in full 230's, they should have been the highest damage in the party.

There are people that genuinely believe playing that badly is acceptable and that brings me back to the person I was replying to and the point I was making. It's one thing to not do your rotation correctly while learning a fight, it's quite different to be a level 60 and be playing your class completely wrong because you think your playstyle is fine or that you feel your damage is fine. With the dps classes specifically there is only one way to play them correctly, there are no alternate rotations or playstyles, you can't try using your abilities in a different order you can't try using certain attacks a different way, every dps class has a very structured and precise rotation (procs notwithstanding) that they have to abide by to play correctly.

The game teaches you how combos work, the buttons light up on top of the fact that if you take the time to actually read your abilities and experiment, it becomes pretty obvious what you have to do. Using drg as further example, I had mostly figured out a rotation on my own naturally from just leveling it then when I finally looked at a guide it turns out that I was doing it correctly and I don't think it's because I'm some genius or gaming prodigy, it's because I took five minutes to read my abilities and how they work along with the combo effects.

[Launched]

The problem is when people expect you to know and execute said "proper rotation" flawlessly all the time. Even if you are in a dungeon for the first time.

No one expects you to be flawless, we expect you to know your optimal rotation and not drop buffs like Enochian or Blood of the Dragon on fights without much boss downtime. There's also no excuse for not knowing how to deal with trash since pretty much no dungeon has mechanics to watch out for.

[LunaFaye]

The problem is when people expect you to know and execute said "proper rotation" flawlessly all the time. Even if you are in a dungeon for the first time. I hate when people point and laugh and say "Haha, you just want to be carried!" because someone is learning and not doing things perfectly. With how fast it is to level these days (POTD has not helped this), it's easy to get a class to 60. And some of the job guides on this very forum are confusing as hell for someone who isn't 60 and in the best gear.

Here's an example, last night I ran an expert roulette. I saw a other smn in the party and thinking to myself that this will be a very quick run. Now that was my fault since I had that expectation, however first two trash pulls and that smn could not figure out how to get the dots on all mobs.

He was spamming ruin I and garuda was of course set to sic. After the first boss (took forever mind you), he then finally found ruin II, still no dots were applied to any targets, nor shadow flare or death flare, ruin III or any basics. Again, that is the basics of a smn not something advanced that we are asking for and if you're 60 (don't care how you got there), I should assume that you at least know the difference between dots and ruin's.

So I kicked him, but that has nothing to do with my expectations because if we would go by that, I would have kicked him already earlier, since a good and geared smn can pull 2800 - 3500 dps on trash alone. Him being mediocre geared, at least should pull around 1700 dps and not 250 or something like it.

So that excuse about expectations is invalid and I doubt that even if you were in that group, would have tolerated it and just finish the dungeon, which in this case would have taken nearly or over an hour. Nobody got time for that lol and this has nothing to do with flawless rotation or practicing the rotation, all of that I could have tolerated.

[birdy_reene]

As an aside, there is no such thing as a "bad" playstyle as it's something completely subjective. Sure, some styles won't be as effective in getting the job done, but that depends on popular opinion and the current circumstances at hand, so I highly recommend you guys get out of that mindset.

Get the job done? not effective at getting the job done means, they don't or lack the ability to pull their own weight, Which means other people have to make up the slack. Last I checked not many people enjoy parasites. Sorry but "some styles" in a linear mmo like this one equates to someone being lazy or an outright troll. Sorry but unless your private group enjoys carrying you, breaking the meta doesn't fly here. You can gripe and call people out all you want, but in the end, your wrong. Kick system is fine as is. two bit Billy's and their play styles can take a hike.

[Zigabar]

As an aside, there is no such thing as a "bad" playstyle as it's something completely subjective. Sure, some styles won't be as effective in getting the job done, but that depends on popular opinion and the current circumstances at hand, so I highly recommend you guys get out of that mindset.

An ice-mage is bad playstyle. A bard that doesn't sing is bad playstyle. A bard who doesn't sing after being asked to is just bad. Knockbacks with melee teammates is bad playstyle. I think the players who think this is okay are the ones with the wrong mindset.

[Teryaani]

I have had this numerous times cause players don't like knock back attached to abilities... Guess what TOUGH if it wasn't ment to be used they wouldn't have put it in the game... That's called being a cry baby and you don't want to put extra effort...

Pretty sure.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

I have had this numerous times cause players don't like knock back attached to abilities...

The ability is supposed to be used to save someone from dying or to protect yourself from getting damage. When it is just spammed when available it is annoying and slows the group down. Especially if you have a MNK in the party.

Unfortunately I do have friends that do this to wind me up when I am on MNK.

[FunkyBunch]

Taking extra time is "bad"? I'm sure if you rushed through a chess match, for instance, you'd probably be punished for it. "Bad" and "Good" are inherently subjective terms dependent on the conscientious of a group of people. There is nothing objective about it, and I'd even go on to say that objectivity doesn't truly exist in a medium like games, or anything in society as a whole.

Non Savage content is not a chess match. And good chess players have timed games and quick moves.
Time taken for an objective is literally the only measurement we have, so yes, doing it slower is worse.