Fat Moogle Mount on Mogstation!

[Jynx]

But back to mounts, I just realized that the Bennu and Twintania mounts share the same base as well. I'm personally not that bothered by things like this, but I can appreciate wanting some unique models and animations. In my mind, most everything has been taken from XI anyway, so what's a bit more recycling :P

Many many many monsters in ffxiv use the same "Skeleton" I've lost count how often they reuse the goobue.

[Skivvy]

My rant is my argument, i am saying that your complaints are void on the grounds that you cannot prove even a single one of them and thus your entire arguments are nothing but wild speculation.

This is not an opinion, this is a fact because you admit yourself that none of us can actually know what´s really happening at Squenix.

You guys are not complaining over an actual problem, you guys are literally complaining over a gut feeling.

So it is certainly not me, the one that has ran out of arguments to bring to the table.
You guys never had any argument to begin with, unless now we accept wild speculation and gut feelings as arguments.

I'm glad you've managed to sum up all of our voices and comments as simply "a gut feeling". Not everyone has been claiming to know the inner workings of SE, but the fact that you keep trying to perpetuate this lie to make your own argument seem better is quite telling. At this point, I am willing to continue to discuss this with anyone else in this thread, but you've proven several times now to be incapable of having a rational conversation.

Also, typing in bold does not make what you're saying more true.

[Melorie]

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The chest texture does remind me of Fat Chocobo. I study art so I have an eye to see that the shape is very similar and probably from the same asset. I personally find the mount very cute, but yes, it's not made from scratch.

[Zigabar]

Playing some catch up here, sorry for not acknowledging earlier. D:

[Limit snip] leveling potion. At what point do they draw the line? We all have our threshold for what we feel is acceptable, and maybe some of the pro-cash shop people will switch sides at that point. Hopefully it won't cross that line at all, but we'll see. XIV is designed to be casual, and those types of items do fit in with that model.
http://gamerescape.com/2016/06/17/e3...naoki-yoshida/

(I'm just glad you saw it. I was like BUT ONE MORE POST PLEASE! haha) If they do present leveling potions, I would definitely stop my support for Mogstation, not saying it would be enough to make me stop enjoying the game. I really hope they don't add them, regardless.

The amount of self-entitlement and nothing but wild speculation from the anti-mooglestation side is unbearable.
Your entire arguments are nothing but wild guesses and negative, baseless conclusions on what you think that is actually happening within closed doors.

I wouldn't say their arguments are wild guesses or baseless conclusions. They take off of what similar companies have done in the past, which in itself is a reasonable thought. I simply want to have more faith in our Dev team.

[Alleo]

@SagaSoluna: But you also have no idea so your guesses are the same as ours. And to be honest, I don't care what goes on behind the doors, I am a paying customer and I care about the benefits and content of the product that I am buying. They are a company and like any company need to make money to survive but at the same time I and others can make our complain if we think the way they do that is too greedy. I don't owe them anything so why should I be okay with everything they do?

I mean I can take all those things you just wrote and say it to the people that always tell us that the money that is made from the CS will benefit the game or that we got our EU data center thank to that but there is no real proof for this either. (Not sure on the latter) So nobody truly knows what goes on, nobody will ever know why they thought about putting it there and putting that price tag on it and even if we would know it, we still can say what is on our mind if we don't like it.

I am just not sure why you are so aggressive about it? Its fine that you find it okay, no need for that kind of tone. I mean having another version of that mount in the game to get without real money would not be negative for you? Or having all mounts be obtainable ingame would also not make it negative for you, so I am not sure why you are arguing so strongly for the mogstation? I also bought items from it, went to their EU shop and bought merchandise and so on...but lets just put every single argument and every single poster on one side and bash everything they say because I don't like it...

If we are only allowed to complain about something if we know every bit of information than nobody of us is ever allowed to do so (even outside of the game) because that would be impossible.

And I am quite sure that anyone can say they worked at company xyz but this does not make your arguments any better since this is not company xyz so SE can work way different than your company did (since EU and Japanese tend to be quite different ^^) and who can even believe that you did work there? I mean anyone can write anything on the internet. These "facts" are no better than our "baseless conclusions". Really its posts like these that can make an interesting discussion sour very fast..

And yes SE has the right to do what they want ^^ and I as a customer have the right to say (in a civilized way) how I think about it.

[SagaSoluna]

bbq

Not only have i been playing MMOs since 1999 but i have actually worked at a company that published a game with millions of players (Ragnarok Online EU)

You are entitled to your opinions but cease this condescending tone in which you guys make it sound like anyone with a brain or experience should reach the same conclusion you do because it is incredibly pretentious and fallacious.

Your perception on MMO history/industry is not the standard for the industry, and this is something that you guys seem to literally be unable to fit within your skulls.

And what i am saying is that if the items were not to be monetized, they may not have bothered to create them to begin with.

And you guys really need to stop thinking that your sub entitles you to anything but access to the servers, because it does not, not even legally.

Squenix has the right to spend their earned money in whatever they want.

[SagaSoluna]

-[/B].

You are yet to prove that your claims are anything but speculations.
You keep claiming that "i am telling lies" by insisting on that yours are nothing but speculation, but let me pull the dictionary on you:

speculation
ˌspɛkjʊˈleɪʃn/
noun
noun: speculation; plural noun: speculations

1.
the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

This is literally what you guys are doing.
Because just like me or anybody else in this thread, you have no firm evidence on what is happening at squenix and how much it affects the game.

So yup, your arguments are speculations.

[Melorie]

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Then you probably know what happened to ragnarok online, and many other games. If you think that this is okay, and that the MMO player shouldn't be afraid, that's great. Really. Doesn't change the fact that other people feel different, and if you choose to ignore all their reasons even looking at MMO market I can only guess that you have no empathy at all.

And what i am saying is that if the items were not to be monetized, they may not have bothered to create them to begin with.

Well what makes it worse, don't you think? The fact that the item idea just exist to make money sounds very greedy. They could've put it into the game and they make a recolour, but no. The choice for an exclusive item says much about an intention.
And if you get my suggestion to read the topic, there's already proof of how this idea of "acess to the servers" isn't true. I won't do the job for you though, since you're a person that cares so much about information.

My subs give me the right to give my feedback and my opinion about their moves, deal with it. I am a customer, like it or not. Square Enix asked for my complaints. What everyone is saying here IS feedback, doesn't matter if you don't see it as feedback. If you can't deal with it, leave the forums. I'll stay here watching for the game I like.

[SagaSoluna]

Then you probably know what happened to ragnarok online

Actually, the main problem Ragnarok Online EU faced was the brutal amount of private servers that were born from the fact that you pretty much had to sell your life and soul to the devil and farm 10 hours a day if you hoped to even move that experience bar past level 50.

It had nothing to do with the cash shop.

there's already proof of how this idea of "acess to the servers" isn't true.

The subscription gives you the rights that are detailed in the EULA and the contract that you enter with Squenix upon subscribing.
You accept their terms before you can access the game, so trying to theorize how you actually have extra rights is ridiculous.

Nothing more, nothing less, and in no part of the contract there is a clause that forces Squenix to re-invest into the game for free or gives you special rights upon said game and what they decide to do or do not with it.

[Reinha]

It's all a matter of logic. If the item cannot have been made into the game, then why it exists for mogstation?

I will follow your premise "the item cannot have been made into the game for free".

Mog Station brings in resources to allow it to exist, and it only brings in a continuous flow of those resources because new items are made to be sold there. No matter how much resources they have from sub money, those resources are finite and that's what gets us the finite free patch content and items. Adding extra resources on top of it (paid extra time, more designers, rented workforce) will always allow the production of more extra in-game models. Now if your complaint is that there aren't enough free mounts obtainable in game, that's another matter entirely. The point is Mog Station brings in extra resources to make extra things, and it would fail to do so if it stopped getting new merchandise to sell. That's why the extra items go to Mog Station. Otherwise there would be no resources to develop new extra items.

Does it exist because of mogstation money? Then, mogstation is supporting mogstation?

Yes. The Mog Station must at the very least support the Mog Station itself, because otherwise we could deduct that it's making a net loss and if that was the case they would have already stopped that project. It is only logical. It is possible that it brings in enough profit to even support the game, in which case it is funding both the Mog Station development and the game's development. But we can't know that much for sure.

Because if that's the case, it's worse. We're not supporting the game paying for items, we're supporting the cash shop itself. The item COULD'VE been a recolour, like Red Fenrir. But no. Putting an exclusive item on mogstation was a CHOICE. A greedy choice. If you think that this is okay. GREAT. But there's absolutely nothing wrong with not being comfortable with it.

Why is it worse? A completely separate system, running on separate money, optional for customers and has no gameplay effect on those who choose to not support it. Those who want Mog Station items support the making of new items by buying the ones that are already there. Those who don't, don't. Why would this be inherently "bad"? It's literally how every shop works regardless of whether it's producing cosmetic game items or real life products. You are trying to attach a negative moral value to a basic business principle.

And remember, there is the chance it also benefits the main game. At the worst it's just a separate store for those who like that kind of things. At best it is a way to provide more money for a game that has a very low sub fee and a tight development schedule.