Fat Moogle Mount on Mogstation!

[Melorie]

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Then you probably know what happened to ragnarok online, and many other games. If you think that this is okay, and that the MMO player shouldn't be afraid, that's great. Really. Doesn't change the fact that other people feel different, and if you choose to ignore all their reasons even looking at MMO market I can only guess that you have no empathy at all.

And what i am saying is that if the items were not to be monetized, they may not have bothered to create them to begin with.

Well what makes it worse, don't you think? The fact that the item idea just exist to make money sounds very greedy. They could've put it into the game and they make a recolour, but no. The choice for an exclusive item says much about an intention.
And if you get my suggestion to read the topic, there's already proof of how this idea of "acess to the servers" isn't true. I won't do the job for you though, since you're a person that cares so much about information.

My subs give me the right to give my feedback and my opinion about their moves, deal with it. I am a customer, like it or not. Square Enix asked for my complaints. What everyone is saying here IS feedback, doesn't matter if you don't see it as feedback. If you can't deal with it, leave the forums. I'll stay here watching for the game I like.

[SagaSoluna]

Then you probably know what happened to ragnarok online

Actually, the main problem Ragnarok Online EU faced was the brutal amount of private servers that were born from the fact that you pretty much had to sell your life and soul to the devil and farm 10 hours a day if you hoped to even move that experience bar past level 50.

It had nothing to do with the cash shop.

there's already proof of how this idea of "acess to the servers" isn't true.

The subscription gives you the rights that are detailed in the EULA and the contract that you enter with Squenix upon subscribing.
You accept their terms before you can access the game, so trying to theorize how you actually have extra rights is ridiculous.

Nothing more, nothing less, and in no part of the contract there is a clause that forces Squenix to re-invest into the game for free or gives you special rights upon said game and what they decide to do or do not with it.

[Chalbee]

See, you may not agree with me and have your opinion and I can think that you're wrong, just like you may think that I'm wrong. There's nothing horrible in that. It happens.

In that we are in agreement. I have no desire or ability to police your opinions. But you are using your entitlement to an opinion as a cudgel to attack other posters on this forum, including personal attacks against another poster based solely on their disagreement with your opinion on game philosophy. And you are using it as a shield to basically say you are above reproach on account of being a "customer." We can disagree with one another and still be civil.

[SagaSoluna]

since you're so sensible about people not agreeing with you. Got it? I hope so because I'm starting to get tired of explaining the same thing over and over again.

But you are using your entitlement to an opinion as a cudgel to attack other posters on this forum. And you are using it as a shield to basically say you are above reproach on account of being a "customer."

My problem is not that "You disagree with me" but that you seem to think that your opinion is untouchable on the ground of being a customer, just like Chalbee explains.

[Melorie]

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If I offended anyone, then I'm sorry it wasn't my intention. I never said that Saga is a bad worker, I just said that I'm glad that his mindset is not the mindset of the company. Is that a personal offense? I find it okay to disapprove someone's vision. Does that mean that he's a terrible person? Nope. Is that a personal attack? Because I think that it's part of the discussion. If that's a offense for him, then again, sorry? Not my intention, but we clearly don't agree what personal offenses are, and as I said I have no crystal ball to know his values about what is an offense and what isn't.

I'm being civil. I don't need to be extremely cutesy and gentle to express my point with people that keeps insisting of how I am probably being fallacious just because they don't agree with me.

My problem is not that "You disagree with me" but that you seem to think that your opinion is untouchable on the ground of being a customer, just like Chalbee explains.

It's not. But sorry, you weren't the one that could convince that I'm wrong. Doesn't mean that you can't think different from me.

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I also think that the game isn't lacking in items. But yes I would prefer a recolour of it in the future instead of it being right into the mogstation. I am afraid of the exclusive items pattern, and while the game haven't been affected by that yet, doesn't makes me think that it's less dangerous.