Fat Moogle Mount on Mogstation!

[Teryaani]

Please see my earlier post RE: opinion vs. assertion. It is fair game to criticize baseless speculation which is used to back an assertion. As a matter of fact, invalidating your opponent's arguments is the entire point of debate. If you don't want to be invalidated, don't build truth statements on shaky premises. De gustibus non est disputandum. De veritate disputandum est!

Except that that particular "speculation" includes, as mentioned previously, the leveling pot. Which wasn't baseless as the producer of the game himself brought it up as a possibility. So referring to all of people prior as making a baseless claim is false. In addition, citing trends in comparable products is a perfectly valid approach to speculation - not baseless.

Citing it as fact? No, but neither are they wild speculations.

[Lexia]

From what I have seen from here on the forums and in game there seems to be 3 crowds.

1.Are against the mog shop
2. Support the mog shop
3. Are ok with the mog shop existing but think most items are over priced.

[Chalbee]

From what I have seen from here on the forums and in game there seems to be 3 crowds.

1.Are against the mog shop
2. Support the mog shop
3. Are ok with the mog shop existing but think most items are over priced.

three households, all alike in dignity,
In fair Eorzea, where we lay our scene,
From ancient grudge break to new mutiny,
Where civil blood makes civil hands unclean...

[Yallaid]

every time they add content to the cash shop it necessarily precludes them from adding that same content as a reward to a piece of playable in-game content. I think we can all agree that if this new mount were an extremely rare achievement reward and was also available in Mog Shop that we would be filled with righteous fury.

However, it's perfectly reasonable to argue that the devs only have the resources necessary to create these cool mounts/other cosmetics but not enough resources to actually build new gameplay surrounding each one and that the Mog Shop is a compromise solution. But the flipside is that once we accept the Mog Shop as part of the game's design the devs lose a lot of incentive to try and balance these two things and in a worst case scenario may end up locking too much content behind the store, content that really should be available in game as part of something like DD or a new sidequest or achievement reward.

Personally I prefer to ignore cash shop items, I support the devs with my subscription and I like to think that subscription entitles me to all of a game's content, provided I put the work in the achieve my goals. It does irk me when something prestigious like a rare mount is totally disconnected from in-game performance/achievement. But I acknowledge reality.

[mandodo69]

I'm cheap, I want a single seater for 15$. 30$ is a lot of cash......

[DarkStaoneDragon]

ok, just stop with the "go f2p already" talk, have you seen f2p MMO's? if you think RMT /tell's are bead now, insted of it being the normal 1-3 upon log in it'll be 15-20, I have played my fair share of f2p MMO's and they all have 1 thing in common, evil items, over powered gear, random boxes that has a 0.4% chance of getting that shiny mount you want, exp boost, stat boost items and other items that would be impossible to get otherwise.

People want to call a mount a pay-to-win that doesn't offer a stat boost of any kind has no idea of what a pay-to-win item is, I had this happen in a f2p game, I got challenged to a duel by a lvl 13 at the time I was lvl 25, my gear was level 22-25 enhanced crafted gear, he had level 10 CS gear, I lost due to the gear, it had double to triple the stats my gear had, thats a pay-to-win item.

I was originally against the cash shop, if it wasn't for the cash shop I would have to remake my character everytime I changed races (and be in 2.1 MSQ), also I do have the Slepinir mount, but I still use my trusty chocobo, now the items on the mogstation isn't evil items I think the items could be brought in-game, but at least this way people could buy a mount or glamour gear and not have to grind days, weeks or months for it.

[Melorie]

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Except no one told that it's p2w. But do not treat cosmetics itens as useless items that you can cashgrab, f2p mmos do it because they're free already. These items are a huge part of the game and it's obvious that people care about them. And yeah, I have no problem with having recolours, but exclusive items no. There are people that don't wanna work for a thing but there are those that want. SE could've released it in-game and a recolour after and them make both people happy but they decided to take the other and worse route.

[Jetstream_Fox]

ok, just stop with the "go f2p already" talk, have you seen f2p MMO's? if you think RMT /tell's are bead now, insted of it being the normal 1-3 upon log in it'll be 15-20

Come to Jenova, you get spammed rmt every 10 seconds at times.

[SagaSoluna]

This is going to be my last post in this thread, the drama bores me.
I will try to explain my position and why i oppose this thread in a simple way:

Claim: Every item in the shop is content that would be ingame and is cut for profit.

This is speculation, we do not know how many , if any, of these items would have been created or even thought of if they could not make a profit out of it.

Claim: All the time spent creating cash shop items is time that would have been spent creating/fixing content for the game

This is speculation, not only we do not know how many people work on the items or if it´s the same team, but even if it was, nothing proves that there would be as many people employed if the content they make could not be monetized further.

There is no proof that less items in the shop would mean more work into the game or more content.

Claim: The profits from my sub are being used for x instead of y

Maybe so, but, so what?
Their profits are theirs to spend as they see fit, in the game, or otherwise.
They have every right to do whatever they want with their money and your right is to stop giving them said money if you disagree with their choices.

To Skivvy´s drama and accusations:
Quoting the great greek philosopher Emaeucliades:
"Whatever, dude/tte"

[Skivvy]

This is going to be my last post in this thread, the drama bores me.
I will try to explain my position and why i oppose this thread in a simple way:

Claim: Every item in the shop is content that would be ingame and is cut for profit.

This is speculation, we do not know how many , if any, of these items would have been created or even thought of if they could not make a profit out of it.

Claim: All the time spent creating cash shop items is time that would have been spent creating/fixing content for the game

This is speculation, not only we do not know how many people work on them or if it´s the same team, but even if it were, nothing says they would be working on the game as they may have never been hired to begin with, if their work was not to be monetized in the shop.

Claim: The profits from my sub are being used for x instead of y

Maybe so, but, so what?
Their profits are theirs to spend as they see fit, in the game, or otherwise.

To Skivvy´s drama and accusations:
Quoting the great greek philosopher Emaeucliades:
"Whatever, dude/tte"

My special acknowledgement makes me feel warm and fuzzy. <3