Give Tanks Tank Stance at Level 15

[Ekimmak]

I haven't been in a really low synced dungeon in a while, and while I won't say that I have any significant troubles, I certainly don't have a problem with some sort of tweak to make it easier.

Heck, I think one of the adjustments they need to make is to disable soul crystals below thirty, because I'd love to have access to extra cross-class skills. Invigorate would be incredibly handy to have to counteract the TP drain of Overpower spam. Sure, you have flash, but have you actually seen how long it takes for Warrior to regenerate MP?

Most painful area is actually the 25-30 area. Butcher's Block comes in far later than other three step enmity combos, and you will feel the difference against DPS that know what they're doing. And the ones that don't, since they'll all pick their own targets and expect me to somehow manage two out of control DPS' targets.

[Ilenya]

Heck, I think one of the adjustments they need to make is to disable soul crystals below thirty, because I'd love to have access to extra cross-class skills. Invigorate would be incredibly handy to have to counteract the TP drain of Overpower spam. Sure, you have flash, but have you actually seen how long it takes for Warrior to regenerate MP?

Do you *want* to only have one healer for anything before Haukke at all times?

[ToasterMan]

I think things need to be adjusted for gladiator. I think Marauder is fine, you just have to use overpower a bit more and switch targets.

But Gladiator? It is the WORST tank in this game no questions asked. If a new gladiator goes to a dungeon such as copper bell mines and get all synced players,(Which is almost always) he can only DREAM of holding hate against all of the mobs. It is outright impossible for him to do his job correctly. It doesn't matter if his gear is all up to date, it doesn't matter if he uses his abilities to their greatest extent (And lets be honest, do you really expect a sprout tank to be able to know his skills inside and out at these levels?). The few levels those dps have on the gladiator along with their synced gear will make it so that he doesn't have a chance at holding down hate. ESPECIALLY if it's pro raider ninja that just got done with his savage runs for the week. Man, even a new marauder is going to have issues now that I think about it. And you know what? Those dps are gonna turn around and say "Wow, that tank was really bad" And then it discourages new tank players to keep going. It is a big problem and SE needs to do something about it.

And for whatever reason. SE made the stupid descision of giving PLD shield Oath at level FORTY instead of Thirty like it is for WAR just in time for Hawke when things start to get hairy if you can't hold hate reliably. I think that needs to get adjusted too.

[Ekimmak]

Do you *want* to only have one healer for anything before Haukke at all times?

...Kudos. I forgot about that.

And for whatever reason. SE made the stupid descision of giving PLD shield Oath at level FORTY instead of Thirty like it is for WAR just in time for Hawke when things start to get hairy if you can't hold hate reliably. I think that needs to get adjusted too.

Before Dark Knight, it was kind of necessary for Warrior to get Defiance early, because everything the job learned required it. Paladin could get away with it because nothing required a specific stance.

But now they have Dark Knight, which gets its tank stance at 30, and so the unbalance is clear. Give Paladin a new 40 skill, and have them learn Shield Oath at the same time they learn Sword Oath, and call it a day.

[Sarcatica]

Give Paladin a new 40 skill, and have them learn Shield Oath at the same time they learn Sword Oath, and call it a day.

Or you know, just switch it around. 30 for ShO, 40 for SwO. For whatever reason, SE gave PLD an early DPS stance which is kinda meh TBH.

[ToasterMan]

Before Dark Knight, it was kind of necessary for Warrior to get Defiance early, because everything the job learned required it. Paladin could get away with it because nothing required a specific stance.

But now they have Dark Knight, which gets its tank stance at 30, and so the unbalance is clear. Give Paladin a new 40 skill, and have them learn Shield Oath at the same time they learn Sword Oath, and call it a day.

I'm not sure how Paladin got away with not having their tank stance for dungeons like Hawke, Brayflox Cutters Cry, and Qarn since that's when the game starts to step it up a bit, at least for a new player. This isn't about the skills it's about the classes ability to keep hate on mobs. Even back in 2.0 New Paladins struggled to keep mobs on them. Meanwhile once WAR got defiance it was smooth sailing from then. Just use a few overpowers and you were set. There aren't any skills you can use that require wrath stacks in Hawke and Brayflox anyway. Of course I can't really speak for Paladins at level 30 because I never went that far with it since I was fed up with GLD when I got provoke. But hey, maybe I'm wrong and they do it just fine. If so then just disregard this.

EDIT: Now that I think about it. It's probably because of the shield