Give Tanks Tank Stance at Level 15

[Hruodig]

Anyone who is against something like this (maybe not exactly this, but something to help lower leveled tanks) clearly hasn't played a brand new, low level tank character in a bit.

My brother, who has all jobs to 60 on his main and is a more than serviceable tank, started a gld alt out of boredom. Routinely he'd tell me that, even though he'd have the best gear for his level (dungeon drop rng not included) and he knew what to do, there'd be situations against level-synced dps where he had no chance at all of keeping aggro. I don't necessarily know if we need to give them their tank stance at 15 (I think it should be 30 for all of them), but something to help them seems like it would be nice. The last thing I want right now is more sprouts picking up tanks and putting them down because they felt like they were stressed and unable to tank properly.

[Kindread]

Anyone who is against something like this (maybe not exactly this, but something to help lower leveled tanks) clearly hasn't played a brand new, low level tank character in a bit.

I am a new player. My WAR here is my highest character. A few months ago I leveled a PLD to 35ish, then has to switch servers for a friend and leveled this guy up over the last few weeks.

I have to admit a tank stance would be a quality f life improvement, BUT I do not feel it is necessary at all. I did just fine in the leveling dungeons as both a GLD and MRD without it. Threat was rarely lost and survivability was decent. I had nothing but quest given gear and whatever merchant gear I could afford.

[Enkonda]

Anyone who is against something like this (maybe not exactly this, but something to help lower leveled tanks) clearly hasn't played a brand new, low-level tank character in a bit.

Okay, but it takes two seconds to learn how to tank correctly. I absolutely sucked at first...but then...I "got good" (I know I hate that phrase but it kind of applies to this situation)? By...you know, reading my skill set and observing other tanks and etc....the usual. The desire to tank is a masochist's wish at best and the journey to becoming a tank is one hell of a ride. Might as well cry a little too on the way to mastery. Honestly, if you're put down by a few mishaps when you start tanking, you really should think about switching your classes 'cause there's always going to be problems and issues, might as well get used to it. Sounds elitist or snobby but I feel it's the truth. The greatest musicians in the world didn't become the greatest by getting everything handed to them. Just put in the work and if ya' really wanted to tank, you'd be trying your best at learning how to tank correctly instead of trying to make it easy. I don't know, maybe I just like a good challenge and maybe I am that masochist who likes the pain of fighting for aggro at a low level (joke...I know how to tank).

Though all that being said, I could agree to maybe...an enmity enhancement for new tanks where GLD, MRD, or DRK are their first class/job. Help them get used to the system but I am against an implementation to release Tanks' tank stance at level 15.

[Anienai]

You guys need to spend some time under the waterfall with Curious George.

[IndigoHawk]

SE has needed to fix the low level tanking experience forever. It sucks. New tanks start out overwhelmed, unable to hold aggro, and get discouraged.

Tank stance should be available for the first group dungeon, or at the least tanks should get a "newbie buff" that gives them tank buff until they reach level 30.

The first job skill for all tanks should be tank stance.

No idea how people can argue against this. It would be like if healers don't get a heal until level 30 or dps can only autoattack until level 30; the player doesn't have the tools for their role.

[ADVSS]

SE has needed to fix the low level tanking experience forever. It sucks. New tanks start out overwhelmed, unable to hold aggro, and get discouraged.

Tank stance should be available for the first group dungeon, or at the least tanks should get a "newbie buff" that gives them tank buff until they reach level 30.

The first job skill for all tanks should be tank stance.

No idea how people can argue against this. It would be like if healers don't get a heal until level 30 or dps can only autoattack until level 30; the player doesn't have the tools for their role.

leeches would like to have a word with you although i guess giving selene an aoe esuna was sort of a way they addressed the issue

[IndigoHawk]

leeches would like to have a word with you although i guess giving selene an aoe esuna was sort of a way they addressed the issue

Oh, yes, scholars have a bit of a bad low level experience, too. White mages have their skills early on, but scholars have similar problem to low level tanks not having tank stance; they don't get cleanse early enough.

[Neophyte]

It just doesn't matter, if the tanks loses one or two mobs sometimes in a low Level dungeon.

The trinity might be there, but in low Level dungeons it doesn't matter much, if you break out of it for short time.

At least that way cou can sometimes use Featherfoot/Haymaker/Keen Flurry/Ice2/Sleep/Shadowbind in a usefull manner, before they lose their effectivness and are removed from your hotbar entirely.
Also ACN/SMN's Physik is enough to help healing (if you got no fairy and healer has problems).

[ADVSS]

Oh, yes, scholars have a bit of a bad low level experience, too. White mages have their skills early on, but scholars have similar problem to low level tanks not having tank stance; they don't get cleanse early enough.

I cant agree more, though for like totoraks mini bosses id time eos'regen to offset the lack of a cleanse. As far as a tank stance, it would be nice considering gladiator or not, marauder or not, they are still classified as tanks. most dps get some form of damage enhancing stance or major cooldown in the lower level range(or theyre cross classible for the most part) though tanking has been made relatively easier since 2.0 (paladin main at launch was p bad, even with relic you could have mobs bouncing all over the place in level 50 dungeons) maybe theyll fix that. i dont agree with the stances being cross class though, as each one now gives a different penalty to damage, however it would be really weird to see a marauder using "shield oath" as the damage penalty is way less than defiances is now

[technole]

Oh, yes, scholars have a bit of a bad low level experience, too. White mages have their skills early on, but scholars have similar problem to low level tanks not having tank stance; they don't get cleanse early enough.

Cleanse isn't a big deal lower level, a SCH has Adlo out of the gate and can just simply Adlo which the poison will end up eating the shield. Most don't do that or really understand how shielding works as "more effective HP" early on in their SCH career. Plus now they have Selene cleanse at earlier level. It was never a problem, and still isn't one.