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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
    There is really no need to be so rude. I understood Reiryuu's point completely. The 'point' was that numbers make an insignificant change to the run, where in fact they do make a significant change. I used actual data to prove that point. I am sorry that numbers upset you.
    Actually, Preypacer hit the nail on the head on what the example was meant to show there. I don't want to fuel the fire so to speak, but since it was my example and my point to be made I feel I had to chime in on that.

    Is the only worth of other players the number they make when they press buttons? That seems like a pretty shallow game to me. Why have a game with pretty graphics, music, story and animations and such like that at all? Why not have a giant black box with boxes all over the place and see how fast you can press the buttons in the right combination to make the number as high as possible? It reminds me of a scene in the Phantom Tollbooth-- they come to a city called Reality which is a town no one can see because they stare at their feet so they can get to where they're going as quickly as possible. Over time, the city of Reality faded away to nothing and now it's completely invisible and no one can see it. But no one cares because they know where they're going and they are only concerned with how fast they get there. Is this what FFXIV has or is becoming? Is that what you'd like it to be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiryuu View Post
    Actually, Preypacer hit the nail on the head on what the example was meant to show there. I don't want to fuel the fire so to speak, but since it was my example and my point to be made I feel I had to chime in on that.

    Is the only worth of other players the number they make when they press buttons? That seems like a pretty shallow game to me. Why have a game with pretty graphics, music, story and animations and such like that at all? Why not have a giant black box with boxes all over the place and see how fast you can press the buttons in the right combination to make the number as high as possible? It reminds me of a scene in the Phantom Tollbooth-- they come to a city called Reality which is a town no one can see because they stare at their feet so they can get to where they're going as quickly as possible. Over time, the city of Reality faded away to nothing and now it's completely invisible and no one can see it. But no one cares because they know where they're going and they are only concerned with how fast they get there. Is this what FFXIV has or is becoming? Is that what you'd like it to be?
    Most definitely not. DPS matters, but it is not the only thing that matters. I feel I explained that quite explicitly previously. When you are queued in to a task with 3 other strangers and are all assigned a task to complete together, your relative performance towards that task is an important thing to consider. Yes, teamwork, chatter etc all matters. I will often commend the person who speaks up over the person who tops the DPS charts so-to-speak. That said, to disregard DPS value completely is, in my opinion, a mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiryuu View Post
    Actually, Preypacer hit the nail on the head on what the example was meant to show there. I don't want to fuel the fire so to speak, but since it was my example and my point to be made I feel I had to chime in on that.

    Is the only worth of other players the number they make when they press buttons? That seems like a pretty shallow game to me. Why have a game with pretty graphics, music, story and animations and such like that at all? Why not have a giant black box with boxes all over the place and see how fast you can press the buttons in the right combination to make the number as high as possible?
    Until all content in FFXIV no longer have DPS, HPS and Tank checks..... Yes if it means you clear the difficult content you signed up for or not. Otherwise, its a pretty pointless waste of time.

    No seriously, I don't get why people simply don't understand that to clear a fight like A3S, A4S... hell even A7S you NEED numbers. You HAVE to burn down that boss HP pool, you HAVE to heal that amount of damage, you HAVE to absorb that amount of damage. This is goal oriented content we are talking about. You have a goal and this is the requirement to meet that objective and a parser is the impartial objective measurement instrument. While it is murkier to argue whether a parser is needed for less taxing content (as most of this stuff is journey/story oriented), my complaint is one of accuracy.

    Chances are, the official parser will have access to the internal data of the game thus making the parse a lot more accurate. ACT is an approximation at best and while FFLOGS is accurate, it is also retrospective.

    There is also the question of accountability. My biggest complaint for the anti parser people, why are you so afraid of accountability?
    Healers + Tanks have had to deal with accountability from day 1, with the kind of logic the anti parser people throw around, we may as well remove the HP bar, MP bar and Emnity meter.
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    Last edited by CookieMonsta; 05-26-2016 at 01:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CookieMonsta View Post
    There is also the question of accountability. My biggest complaint for the anti parser people, why are you so afraid of accountability?
    Healers + Tanks have had to deal with accountability from day 1, with the kind of logic the anti parser people throw around, we may as well remove the HP bar, MP bar and Enmity meter.
    Ummm hi. I am a healer... so exactly how am I afraid of accountability? How is not wanting FFXIV to become number simulator 2016 being afraid of accountability? How is not wanting to worry about being robotically perfect every time you want to play a video game after a long day at work being afraid of accountability? Why is it that not liking numbers being shoved into your face suddenly meaning that someone afraid of accountability?

    It's like me saying all you proparsers want parsers to stroke your e-peen.
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