Would you like an in-game parser?

[Cherie]

So much discussion in this thread! It's almost like there is a huge majority in opposition to parsers!

But wait, the vote at the beginning!... It shows a overwhelming majority would like to have a parser in some form. 5/6 of votes are for a parser in some form and 1/6 against any parser (as of time writing). I must comment that there is not a vote for "don't care either way" however.

What does this all mean? It is most curious! Does it mean instead there is a very vocal minority against parsers? I would like to know the answer! Why are they so vocal? What is it about parsers that makes that minority discuss it so much?

I know I don't get any say either way as far as if there is a parser in this game. But I find these threads so curious. I never really thought any change in this game was so earth shattering that I'd have to be concerned so much. What makes this minority so worried to have to discuss it so much? Maybe if the game was going to go free to play, then I'd be a bit concerned. I saw that happen to Rift and it made me sad. Anything else that can happen is just whatever to me.

[Nicobo]

Dear YoshiP,

Everyone knows the top RAIDERS you love using parser.
Please share your love to everyone by giving us official parser (DPS Meter). It is mandatory.

I don't want to use those officially disallowed, unofficially allowed, use as your own risk, but don't tell others..etc 3rd party tool,
it comes with too many unbelievable value added features,
and that's why many ppl don't want to see official parser bcoz now they have a VALID reason to use those PRO tools.

[Voltyblast]

What does this all mean? It is most curious! Does it mean instead there is a very vocal minority against parsers? I would like to know the answer! Why are they so vocal? What is it about parsers that makes that minority discuss it so much?

Well for starters we don't really know if that's a minority or not, since that a lot of players don't come over the forums to discuss things, so most of these information are not 100% accurate.

Still the "issue" is that parsers for them could cause toxicity because other games did it and ruined their community, while others say the opposite and show that recounts/parsers were only a minor part of the community being ruined, but for me it's more about "fear" because people already dismiss this topic (and any possible topic really) even before discussing the possible benefits. Because there are benefits on knowing your own damage.

Yet if people are so afraid of trying out though this discussion will go endlessly. On my behalf, parser helped me to realize my dps potential and it truely changed my gamestyle right now, to the point that I went full dps because now I enjoy it.
It is true that parsers could cause toxicity, but you can bet that parser is probably the -last- of the reasons that could cause it.

[Reynhart]

It is true that parsers could cause toxicity, but you can bet that parser is probably the -last- of the reasons that could cause it.

You're right about that...but since we already have all the other reasons in the game, do we really need to add that one ?

[Rawrz]

You're right about that...but since we already have all the other reasons in the game, do we really need to add that one ?

You know what makes me feel toxic? Having to ask someone for my Parse on content.

[Seraphix2407]

You're right about that...but since we already have all the other reasons in the game, do we really need to add that one ?

You know what makes me feel toxic?! 1-2 guy is in a party ''knows'' the fight but doesn't pull enough dps to make it out of enrage, then you try to help and I'm being called names like elitist, asshole, jerk etc you name it ;(.

[Voltyblast]

You're right about that...but since we already have all the other reasons in the game, do we really need to add that one ?

Only way to make this game non-toxic (and even then it might be nearly impossible even if you do this), is to remove every possible abusive thing that is inside. Things like chat, trading, housing, item level, damage, whispers, votekick, macroing, alt making, Roleplay, Emoting (suggestive emotes anyone?), FATEs (Oh yes, it can be abused: make the players unable to hit them and GG). List goes on and on...

As you can see parser is probably the last of the issue you should think about it.

[Reynhart]

As you can see parser is probably the last of the issue you should think about it.

Again, it's not because there are other toxic issues that we can just ignore what this one can do. Especially since it's been mentionned several times that Yoshi-P is worried by that.
It's not like I'm the only one who consider this.

And don't worry, parsers are not the only topic where I post.

[Krissey]

Still the "issue" is that parsers for them could cause toxicity because other games did it and ruined their community

No one has any proof though. They vaguely mention "other games". One can assume they mean WoW, but things didn't get really bad there until Wrath of the Lich King when GearScore was invented along with the Blizzard given Achievements. Basically it was anti-DPS. Because ilvl was king. The higher the ilvl score the "better the player". Funnily enough though I would consistently out DPS highly geared players because I wasn't trash. I actually knew how to play my class and knew how it worked thus I did better. But it didn't matter. You couldn't join groups if you didn't have the achievement (You can only get the achievement by joining groups...) and you couldn't join groups if your ilvl wasn't some arbitrary number set by the raid leader who was usually just looking for a carry anyway.

[Voltyblast]

No one has any proof though.

I agree: nobody has proof, I don't have either: my theory of how LFG tool and Gear score ruined the community are just that, theories. However since I was a hardcore player back then I did see things changing for the worse, yet I can't present real evidence that they ruined the community. Infact the only reason I mentioned wow is because, let's face it, it's the one game that most of us has played at least once: I could name other games too but they're either f2p or ruined games that became f2p.

But anyway, the same could be applied for parsers: we have no real evidence that it could ruin the community. but people are already saying that it does without showing any real evidence. Most of us are just showing our experience, but without actual proof of what it could become this is all meaningless. I mean I have parsers but I don't show off how my dps is uber and I don't go around calling out players: I only use it for measuring myself and nothing else. That already proves that parser doesn't automatically make me an elitist.

Infact what you said of how these numbers gates us is no different than what we currently have: the game IS gated behind item level, people only look for the highest item level possible, and for raiding is the same thing as you require to have done the raid before you can join the group - which makes sense but then how can new players even train? It's surprising how the two games are similar in this regard.

PS: And yes I can agree with you about the dps: currently I'm a BLM because my dps is very high and I'm only 220, but I usually top everyone (even in alex normal - I don't do savage). And that's because I know how to play it (and know that it works).
PPS: And yes, I don't call out bad players. Because it's not my job to babysit them.