Would you like an in-game parser?

[Seraphix2407]

You mean a team of people who can actually enjoy the game, take the wipes in stride and keep working at it, all the while remembering it's a game, and the point is to have fun and not stress over numbers?.

I know right, like this:

This is gold. Pure gold. The irony is amazing..

And this is also pure irony. Pure gold, like it just came out from the source itself, like fresh fish from the sea. No really I'm serious. There are bunch of ''white knights'' in this thread. ''Parser is bad, stay away, it's the devil yadyada and we all going to die on doomsday because of a parser''
Then you, like I could say it myself:

Holy crap if you people could see yourselves and your attitudes the way others do.

There are bunch of people in here who talks like parser is a illness and it will spread out and people will be doomed. First of all blaming it on a parser is just plain stupid, yes it is. Give a man a gun and and he shoots, is it the guns fault then? I know it's far from the same scenario, but many in here including yourself make it sound like it. ''Blame the tool not the person whos in controll of it''
That's what many in here do, they really do, believe it or not.

You remind me of this person, you really do, so allow me to quote

So admitedly you want a parser to judge the rest right?snd call them out on it? Exactly the reason why parser should not be added to the game until people grow up

Then:

You judged someone NOT worthy, in essence a piece of s**Thank you for proving what many of us have been saying that this community is NOT mature enough to play with others and why parsers should NEVER BE IMPLEMENTED in this game.

Wants to help community but talks down on people, piece of shit or example your post prey being just completely out of the picture and start insulting, bravo!

Holy crap if you people could see yourselves and your attitudes the way others do.

[Reiryuu]

I know right, like this:

Ohhhh. I had a group like that the other day. We beat it on the third try, half the group was new. The first attempt was kind of funny I was desperately trying to raise people heal the tanks and do damage till it was only me and the tanks alive and we wiped and tried again... if the DF no less. The second attempt went much better and we decided to give it a third go. Sometimes 3rd time really is a charm. Sure, not all the time, but sometimes.

[Seraphix2407]

Ohhhh. I had a group like that the other day. We beat it on the third try, half the group was new. The first attempt was kind of funny I was desperately trying to raise people heal the tanks and do damage till it was only me and the tanks alive and we wiped and tried again... if the DF no less. The second attempt went much better and we decided to give it a third go. Sometimes 3rd time really is a charm. Sure, not all the time, but sometimes.

This group wasn't new. I would understand if it was, because I've been in groups with 4 new people and stayed till it was cleared and those people did better than those I was with.
Yeah, third time can work sometimes, not always but sometimes!
I'm also well aware that this doesn't happen often because it doesn't. It do happen when 4 dps decide to be lazy at the same time and that's excactly why I'm posting in here. If people was less lazy, this would probably happen less as well. I know you and I don't agree completely on our post and I know you posted something very long towards me earlier, and I forgot to reply to it. I was simply saying an idea, I wasn't even supporting it, just an idea for those who want a personal parsers. I'm open for a open parser not a closed one.

[Reiryuu]

This group wasn't new. I would understand if it was, because I've been in groups with 4 new people and stayed till it was cleared and those people did better than those I was with.
Yeah, third time can work sometimes, not always but sometimes!

I'm glad to see a kind response like this. Now, look back at your comment and how it was presented with that screenshot. Preypacer is saying that people want to enjoy themselves and you're showing a picture of wiping due to an enrage. Saying "I know right, Like this:" Are you meant to imply that all people who want to play to enjoy themselves play like this? Because it can easily be interpreted that way. Did you mean it that way? By your response now, I see no. But before I couldn't be sure.


Sure, we who are arguing against parsers may be exaggerating how often people kick others due to parsed dps, but you guys have to be exaggerating on how many times you, personally, have been in a situation like this picture shows. Me? That one incident I mentioned was the first time I had failed that fight on the first time since the second week of 3.2 and I do that fight every single week multiple times trying to get shafts (getting shafted ftw!) for my non-main jobs [I assume even if foolishly that that's normal not savage because I don't do savage >.>;]

Now, while I'm against parsers, I'm not going to be lighting a torch and going to the offices of SE and saying all people who use parsers should be permanently banned from the game. So, do you spite the few people you run into that have trouble with the fight/learning/doing whatever it is wrong so much that you have to make all of us slaves to your numbers? Do we have to constantly worry that the number hanging over whatever part of our interface SE decides to place it is enough to placate every person we meet? Do the majority of us who do enough to get by have to play your way, because I'm not asking you to play my way.

Option to turn it off?

There is an option to skip cut scenes in dungeons the first time you enter by pressing escape (and one in the options to turn off all previously viewed cut scenes). How many people do you see raging over people who want to watch the cutscenes in main story dungeons their first time through? I mean, it should be an option, right? But people basically require people who feel they need to Duty Finder these dungeons to skip them.

People are basically required to speed run dungeons these days too. Personally, I hate speed runs. It's one of the reasons I am scared to death of tanking in high end content because I don't main tank and I don't have the confidence to pull large groups of mobs. But so long as the tank doesn't go too overboard on me (I main whm), I generally don't mind too much. But I do enjoy a nice casual dungeon romp when the chance presents itself.

Short in short, in the DF there are no options. You play everyone's way or people get upset.

[Seraphix2407]

Short in short, in the DF there are no options. You play everyone's way or people get upset.

Yeah no worries. I'm well aware how I posted that picture. Keep in mind I didn't post it to say ''hey this is how they have fun''

Examples. You have those 4dps's together and it would mostlikely enrage. If you had either dps in a group of high/decent dps they would mostlikely think they are good on dps and doesn't need to change anything. You put them back in the same group and they would think WTF is going on. As you said, no one should push you for how you should play, but that also comes back to us. Don't do a alex 4 and do it half ass and expect people to do the job for you, because eventually things like that picture will happen. Also people tend to have ''fun'' on their own way, their own combos, doing whatever they want and think it's fine. Nobody should adapt to 1 guy in group or 4 others who wont listen, simply because they wont listen.

Another example and true story I read: 1 guy runs expert with 2 raid dps static guys. Healer is duty finder and once they done with the run the healer says: Wow that was quick, faster than usual and said his dps helped alot. But you know what? He dps without cleric stance. Do you think dps without cleric stance gonna make the dungeon 10 min faster then it usually is for him, hell even 20? Doubt it. Many aren't aware of how they perform because one day they will all meet up together and they know they wont make it. To me however, a parser isn't a parsers. And I could honestly stream a private stream for you if you wish that I can with my own playtime show you what I go through everyday. It doesn't happen ofte, but it happens way too many times a day it's getting silly.

[Reynhart]

If anyone in this thread looks in the mirror and sees someone rude and abusive, it's gonna be you.

One thing true then, even if there's no reason to be agressive about it, if we want to stick to the gun comparison made before.
We don't give guns freely for everyone, and I'm sure people knows why.