Would you like an in-game parser?

[Kaurie]

So... because some people find measuring performance fun, all people need to have their performance measured even if they don't find it fun? I don't think any of us have said stop using your parser to measure and improve yourself if that's your thing. Just don't use it to measure others if they don't want it done. That's been my entire argument this whole time and many of you just scoff us off as "you must be bad, so you don't want to be parsed."

I believe their argument was based soley off Reynhart exclaiming, "No, I play for fun, not for measuring my performances." where in fact the two are not mutually exclusive.

There are times when your parser numbers aren't going to tell you the whole story about someone. There are some people who will just look at the numbers-- just like the people in this thread who say "oh, anti-parser must be bad player" (and there are many in this thread alone), and abuse it. Can't you have your cake (which you currently do and are enjoying) and I have my cake (which likewise, I have and am enjoying) and so long as I'm not shoving my cake down your throat (let's call this the people who spam blizzard I in lvl 60 dungeons) you don't cram yours down mine (we'll call this the people who rage if you're not at 100% optimization) and we'll call it even?

I cannot think of a single example where a parser will tell you the whole story. I don't think (m)any people are stating as such. It is simply one piece of the puzzle and a useful tool to augment the rest of the game. "There are some people who will just look at the numbers" is possibly a true statement, but there are already people who do ridiculous things in the game. We cannot and should not make design choices around people's stupidity.

I do find it interesting how you state, "just like the people in this thread who say "oh, anti-parser must be bad player" (and there are many in this thread alone)", where the anti-parser crowd has been particularly more toxic in this thread. At least as far as I have seen. Yes, there are definitely people on both sides who seem to have misplaced their manners upon entry to the internet. That said, there are plenty of people (I quoted three of them a few pages back) who directly insulted another player who simply shared his story about how he improved as a player. These anti-parser players responded with condescending remarks such as "git gud", and learn 2 read.

The thing is, performance measurement can be an incentive to improve, as well as a tool to help you improve. That is something that is good for the game as a whole. The issue is the ignorance of one's performance is likely one of the largest contributing factor to sub-par play. This wouldn't be an issue in most video games, because we're all just trying to have fun, but in an online/cooperative game, your performance has a direct impact on other players around you. With your performance directly impacting others, then I think it is only fair that they are aware of what your performance is.

[Seraphix2407]

It's always unfortunate when something prevents someone from having what they want. But he seems to be wanting something to measure himself, not something that will measure others.

That's true and same time don't forget what he wrote, many don't want to see how bad they are. So that means many doesn't want one even if its personal. I'm pretty sure you know I will say, but I will regardles. But let's say a personal parser happens and we still see people do 35-50% lower than they should, there is absolutely no excuse not to improve. If they have a attitude like that, they shouldn't join extreme primals or savage at all. I don't talk about roulettes or dungeons, so no need to mention that.

If they want to be part of a team for savage or primals, people expect them to play pretty good. It's not okay to have a dead weight on team or expect people to do more than they can because 1 player refuses to improve. Today I did hummelfaust with some friends of mine , could we beat it? Hell no, could the guy beat the dummy itself? Yup, but in the actual fight he was doing low. I don't know how it happened but he was ilvl 224 and did 1350 as DRG. Faust always enraged at 10-12%. Could people do more dps in the fight? Sure but enough to ignore his low dps? No sadly.

I do find it interesting how you state, "just like the people in this thread who say "oh, anti-parser must be bad player" (and there are many in this thread alone)", where the anti-parser crowd has been particularly more toxic in this thread. At least as far as I have seen. Yes, there are definitely people on both sides who seem to have misplaced their manners upon entry to the internet. That said, there are plenty of people (I quoted three of them a few pages back) who directly insulted another player who simply shared his story about how he improved as a player. These anti-parser players responded with condescending remarks such as "git gud", and learn 2 read.

I feel the same even tho I was a bit aggresive back there and even said sorry,but, really I agree a lot with you there.

[Krindor]

So basically, it's good to have good players to avoid mechanics that would caught bad players off-guard ?

Players are people and no matter how skilled they are everyone has bad days. Skipping mechanics will lower the chance of mistakes and especially on days were you just want to be done with the weekly kills.

Also for anyone being anti-parser, have you ever used stat weights? A lot of the data used for those comes from parsing, especially to find the formulas for damage. Without a parser this would take a lot more effort to find and you would have a lot less data compared to what we got now.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

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I'm anti parser in so far as I expect problems from the general player base if they have access to one. I have absolutely no interest in being parsed without my consent, and while an 'opt in' version could work, unfortunately it won't because of the stigma that not wanting to show your parser means your bad. I also call bull on those that claim to only want to help others, but hey, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. I'm not saying, 'Ban all parsers rawr' I'm saying, ' Don't give those who would abuse the information it presents ammunition to abuse others even more vehemently.' You have your own parser? Fine, but don't make an official one because it'll become mandatory for everything.

[Seraphix2407]

stigma that not wanting to show your parser means your bad. .

I wouldn't care if you closed your parser, but It would be a bit fishy my own opinon. If a person know they are good they will just show it and don't care. I think many wont hide the parser if there ever gonna be a option for it, because I'm sure many would just be open for improvenent, so people could see so they could help them improving. And no the official one wont be a mandatory thing for faceroll content, it will however for savage and primals, so why not just make a parser for those content anwyays. Not like you do them anwyays and would care if they put parsers in there, unless you do, then expect people to expect from you to play good.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

I've done ex primals in the past. I haven't been interested lately because the weapons look absolutely hideous and I won't do content if the reward isn't aesthetically pleasing. I've also been more occupied doing other things I enjoy, such that I can't devote much time to them, what with the fact nearly every party that shows up is a farm party and I won't sneak into one for a clear.

[Seraphix2407]

I've done ex primals in the past. I haven't been interested lately because the weapons look absolutely hideous and I won't do content if the reward isn't aesthetically pleasing. I've also been more occupied doing other things I enjoy, such that I can't devote much time to them, what with the fact nearly every party that shows up is a farm party and I won't sneak into one for a clear.

I agree they are indeed ugly, but when they are in draw stance, I think DRK looks cool and paladin one. But yeah, if anything parsers in just savage or primals would be fine. But if a open parser happens, there will and I know more people who will call out and use offensive words, but I also hope those who can improve alot, understands they have been a burden all the time more than anything, can improve and I think it's healthy people can see and realize how bad they been. And hopefully they will improve.

[Zenji]

So the people that are anti parser are saying they don't want to feel like they are being monitored performance wise good or bad while they play the game right? Well I got news for you. Regardless of a parser your performance is and will always be measured even without one. Example: how fast enemy's die, how much you dps as a healer, tank cool down usage ect. Some of these arguments are ridiculous.

[Reisui]

I would like either a personal or a group parser.

A parser would be really helpful to me and friends I have who play on PS.
Be it to see our progress or even to be able to experiment, and not just to read guides up, since that is what we PS players need to do. We don't have the joy of experimenting since we can't determine the actual result.

[CookieMonsta]

I'm anti parser in so far as I expect problems from the general player base if they have access to one. I have absolutely no interest in being parsed without my consent, and while an 'opt in' version could work, unfortunately it won't because of the stigma that not wanting to show your parser means your bad..

but why is universal parsing a bad thing? faster roulettes? cleaner Ex Primals? bigger Savage community?
This is the incongruence I am seeing with people against parsers. Why is it acceptable for Healers and Tanks to be judgeable (you can tell their performance from the emnity meter and HP bar) and yet DPS have zero accountability?

As someone who has mained DPS from the beginning but have just started Tanking. People cannot tell the difference between my good DRG day and my bad DRG day without a parser so I pretty much get a free pass on 90% of stuff but they will absolutely judge and threaten vote kick the everloving hell out of my WAR if I so much as let a mob run-off and maul the healer.

PS: btw the Emnity meter and HP bar are both super duper useful quantitative measurement tools visible to the whole party, which tells me how effective I am at absorbing damage and cycling my emnity combos.