Would you like an in-game parser?

[Laerune]

A part of me wants the parsers, but another part of me remembers how parsers played a big role in World of Warcrafts community becoming very toxic. Parsers are amazing when playing with friends/raid, because those players want to help you improve, so they will criticize your actions in a polite way and you, know that there is no malice behind those actions. When playing with strangers, the parsers will be used to demean and insult other players, which is something that Yoshi-P does not want to see in this game (this is one of the reasons, why we can not whisper to each other during dungeon runs) period.

Personaly, I think the harm that the (official) parsers will bring, will outweigh the benefits that it brings to the community. We already have level 60 players kicking newcomers from the leveling roulette dungeons, because they are too slow for them. Imagine if they had parsers aswell, they kick, post the parser to demean them infront of the group use this information to stroke their epeen.

The best thing would be to add personal parsers, this way players that want to improve can use it to better themselves. SE could release data on what the avarage DPS should for each class when they have full ilevel 250/260/270 etc and players can use those data to compare themselves.

[WeekendSoja]

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There are PF groups like that each new release of EX content, "3 strikes and you're out!" "Mistakes will not be tolerated" "High DPS". The list goes on.

Using PF and Ex primals in your example pretty much has only one answer and that is yes, difference in playstyles also refer to the inability to clear content.

A better example is saying, "In a DF expert roulette, on trash pulls the monk does 2600, the BLM does 1100, the WAR does 500 and the WHM does 50 (assize). On the bosses the monk does 2100, blm does 900, war does 1200, and the WHM does 20 (aero 3)." Everyone is ilvl 260, tank has not lost hate once and the healer has kept everyone alive.

Now using the "arbitrary standard", would there be a kick for obvious 1-2-3 blm 50 rotation abuse? Or is this an example of apathy and the BLM is perfectly fine because even with his 1-2-3 rotation, the monk and war carried the party dps?

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

I distinctly remember 10+ tumults in Titan hm. Either way though, now we're just derailing. Parsers are bad and they don't serve any purpose in game, neither as motivation nor as a numbers checker. Not everyone who cares has a parser, because not everyone who cares wants their hand to be held.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

There's a reason parsers are considered against ToS now when at the beginning, they weren't.
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Because they're a third party program, and being a third party program it is technically against the ToS.

They were always in that area as a third party program, but the devs knew how useful they were for the people that used them.

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The thing is, it still happens- people being removed for poor DPS. They just have to be careful about what they say, if anything, as to why people are removed from a group. My only concern is, if public mentioning of parsing were allowed again, if people don't meet certain numbers, will the rampant removal happen again? If it will, it's best to leave parsers as a 'use at your own risk' tool.

Adding a first party parser would allow their use as tools openly.

Harassment is, and would still be, against the ToS.

[CrystalRainbow]

If it was a personal Parser. IE showed your DPS /Hate Gain/ Healing per 15 second period.
This would let people tweak how they are playing to be better.

However most parsers fail on something like oo the BLM is hitting 1200 and the brd is only hitting 900. But the brd has foe up. So he gets shit on. The Masses don't see the big picture. Only that BRD DPS sucks.

Also I would want it premade full parties only.

[Kaurie]

If it was a personal Parser. IE showed your DPS /Hate Gain/ Healing per 15 second period.
This would let people tweak how they are playing to be better.

However most parsers fail on something like oo the BLM is hitting 1200 and the brd is only hitting 900. But the brd has foe up. So he gets shit on. The Masses don't see the big picture. Only that BRD DPS sucks.

Also I would want it premade full parties only.

Have you actually seen anyone say something like that?

If the BRD is going to 'get shit on', I could see that only happening if it was like BRD dps 900, BLM dps, 2500. Even then, I don't think the tendency for most people is to rage or shit on them.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Have you actually seen anyone say something like that?

If the BRD is going to 'get shit on', I could see that only happening if it was like BRD dps 900, BLM dps, 2500. Even then, I don't think the tendency for most people is to rage or shit on them.

I've seen a blm new to a12n get kicked for doing 1500 instead of 1800, been harassed because I missed one or two KassAtsu's in a10n while keeping TA on CD and managing my buffs and dots appropriately, and saw a bard being kicked for using mage Ballad to help the low MP healers during a nondps check phase in a11n. It happens. You may not see it, but it happens.

[Deathgiver]

I've seen a blm new to a12n get kicked for doing 1500 instead of 1800, been harassed because I missed one or two KassAtsu's in a10n while keeping TA on CD and managing my buffs and dots appropriately, and saw a bard being kicked for using mage Ballad to help the low MP healers during a nondps check phase in a11n. It happens. You may not see it, but it happens.

Gonna go ahead and call BS, you're just making stuff up. A 1500 dps blm in a12n would still be top 20% for that content, no-one I've ever met is going to kick a top 20% player in story content....

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Gonna go ahead and call BS, you're just making stuff up. A 1500 dps blm in a12n would still be top 20% for that content, no-one I've ever met is going to kick a top 20% player in story content....

Call it what you want. I've seen it happen. Honestly, I don't expect anyone trying to sell a parser as the miracle cure Ffxiv needs to listen to anyone being a lot more realistic about it.

OK, but two of your three examples are not DPS # related, which drives the point home that a parser isn't the cause of people behaving this way. People will kick and be ridiculous with or without a parser.

That's incorrect. Mage Ballad reduces dps numbers while it's active, and missing one or two Kassatsu is still a (small) dps loss. It very much has to do with dps numbers.

[Caitlinzulu]

Gonna go ahead and call BS, you're just making stuff up. A 1500 dps blm in a12n would still be top 20% for that content, no-one I've ever met is going to kick a top 20% player in story content....

Doesnt it depend on ilvl an ilvl 230 pulling 1500dps is a lot more impressive then an ilvl 255 pulling only 1500
I know i did close to 1400 at just onder ilvl 230 on my bard, may be good may be not. Dont know what i could do now when i'm 250.