Would you like an in-game parser?

[Seraphix2407]

However, it would also allow some to say "Hey, you're doing 100 dps less than you should to be with us" even though they're "playing their job correctly"

As Much as I respect your post, sometime you Just put words in peoples mouth and then toss out words like these, why? Quote 5 people from this thread they Would not allow a person doing 100less than top dps being in their group and ill quote 10 people who allow people to play bad. Seriously do it. People here forget so many times 100 dps does Jack shit, while 400-500 is a huge loss and difference.

[Reynhart]

But your employer would point out that you spend 2 hours a week browsing a forum instead of doing work, because that actually affects other people.

Again, stop with the comparison...you're not my boss and I'm not paid to raid...

But I suppose you let your FC leader monitor everything you do at all time in the game, right ?

As Much as I respect your post, sometime you Just put words in peoples mouth and then toss out words like these, why?

I'm not putting any word in any people's mouth. That's why I said it would "allow some to say", and not "allow you to say". And you won't convince me that no one would react like that.
The only thing we could discuss is how much of the community is like this, but we won't have real numbers for that. But yes, I'm looking at the half-empty glass instead of half-full, because the half-full wouldn't affect me in any way.

[Seraphix2407]

Again, stop with the comparison...you're not my boss and I'm not paid to raid...

But I suppose you let your FC leader monitor everything you do at all time in the game, right ?

Check your words, you tell people to stop compare and yet you do with others. Also for ryu, there is already data and if you dont want to raid thats your own wish. Keep in mind I have a mch that does 150-300less he should in my raid, until last m3 kill he went up 150. Everyone did and we skipped mechanics. On our few first few tries killing it first time our dps even gave us enrage. Simple you gotta prove you are good and not say you are. I had a 650 dps drg in my thordan farm earlier. While me and other drg did 1400. We did twice the amount. When you farm you play Well, if not dont leech and join.

[MeiUshu]

Again, stop with the comparison...you're not my boss and I'm not paid to raid...

But I suppose you let your FC leader monitor everything you do at all time in the game, right ?

I am in agreement with this answer totally. Also Reynhart is very much right in saying people will find a mere 100 dps poor dps and use it as an excuse to demean kick or ostricize. I mean read the posts a bit back and you will see that 1200 is said to be decent and 1100 bad.. when in truth all it matters would be : did we beat the boss as a group or not ? And if not well then draw your own conclusions and move on or read your personal parser and ask your friend if you want confirmation of your performance as opposed to the whole world having an opinion about it

[Seraphix2407]

Again\\\\'m not putting any word in any people\\\\'s mouth. .

You Said people would kick them for doing 100 dps less than optimized. I want you to quote them. Keep in mind im aware you can meet them in game. But are they many? Nope. People act like they are many. When im home i Will post 100screenshots of 40min dungeons, enrage in normal Alex and Faust. While ill wait for people screen shot people get kicked im every dungeons. Like this person Said 1250 people. Wtf...i played this game since beta and never seen a healer get kicked for not dpsing. People make up shit, thats why its hard to discuss.

[Seraphix2407]

Yes i Said 1.1k is lower. But check my old post and see if i kicked anyone for doing less than my war. Then you show me proof you get kicked for being 100less. You guys dont prove anything while i could go all Day. Before people wanna discuss and give facts prove it. You guys make it sound like it happens ofte and yet No proof. Many in here has already, you guys havent.

[Launched]

Again, stop with the comparison...you're not my boss and I'm not paid to raid...

But I suppose you let your FC leader monitor everything you do at all time in the game, right ?

I'd be perfectly happy to let anyone in the game monitor my numbers in any piece of content, on any job if it meant they were more likely to accept criticism and play correctly.

[KarstenS]

Plenty of people can tell when you're playing incorrectly, even without a parser.

When they have that time to watch what others could do wrong in their rotation, they are not focussed enough to do their own job. I did already see some of them and I am clueless what they are able to see, as their own performance was far away from knowing how to do the basic rotation of their own class correct.

(I do not mean 100 DPS less. Its more about 50% and less)

[Saraphin]

i think a *personal* in game parser would be nice, but only so that you can see your own numbers. those that do run 3rd party parsers tend to get really shitty about seeing other people's numbers if they're 'low'. being able to see your own numbers? yes. other people? no. not at all.

[Reiryuu]

This seems needlessly antagonistic

TBH I care so little about DPS numbers I just pulled them out of my ass. I don't mean to be antagonistic and I am more annoyed at the Tommy the Tanks I've met in the DF than at you or anyone who uses a parser personally. Said Tommys aren't necessarily the ones who pull DPS numbers on you but they are the ones that sprint ahead of the group without warning or checking to see if the group has AoE damage besides a whm and expect the whole group to follow them and then yell at the healer (me) for not having some psychic link and knowing exactly what he intended to do. I've met a few of those and I don't like them very much. These are the people I forsee using parsers in such a way as the example given.

I have zero idea why you would avoid raiding because of people like me. Do you care to elaborate?

Because we have very different philosophies on what makes a game fun. You like numbers and making sure everything is working as optimally as possible, whereas I just like to go in and have fun. Am I going to purposely fail or sit and do nothing when I could toss out a few dots or stone IIIs? No. But I don't want to have to stress out that I didn't get exactly 3 stone IIIs off during X window when I only got 2 off. And with someone like you on the team, I would worry about that whether you yelled at me or not and that makes things less enjoyable for me.

I do prefer a casual team of people who go into fights to have fun. I had to do coil mostly in the Duty Finder and I have just met some players in the DF who take the game way too seriously and they stress me out because I just wanna relax and enjoy myself.

Do I hate people who have parsers? No. I've been parsed myself and have come out decently according to the person who parsed me. But I don't want the game to become something where everyone is obsessed with numbers that I have to feel intimidated by entering the duty finder in case I get someone with a tree crammed up their butt and have to worry about every little thing. I am a person who does just about everything via the duty finder. My FC is extremely casual and most of them do crafting or goof around and very few raid. But my experiences raiding in FFXIV thus far have been more stressful than enjoyable and that has pretty much ruined raid content for me. If that starts transitioning to the DF content such as dungeons, I would very likely stop playing. To me, when a game starts causing stress or becoming a job, it's time to stop playing-- it's not a game anymore.

But I will turn your question back to you: Why should someone like me be forced to play under the shadow of a parser when you guys who want parsers can join groups of your own like minded individuals who want to use parsers to improve and play optimally?

Further, having higher DPS can often help push phases which may slow you down even more (i.e. skipping the 2nd frog phase on the first boss in Anti-Tower, or the 2nd dollhouse, etc.)

Am I missing something? Because I've done both and I certainly don't remember getting a special prize for them. Is it really that important to a dungeon run that these things happen? Do I get brownie points for getting both DPS's out of doll form with a holy and assize at the same time during the first dollhouse phase because I don't remember getting those either. Perhaps this time issue is another thing we will just have to agree to disagree on.