Would you like an in-game parser?

[CookieMonsta]

Actually, Preypacer hit the nail on the head on what the example was meant to show there. I don't want to fuel the fire so to speak, but since it was my example and my point to be made I feel I had to chime in on that.

Is the only worth of other players the number they make when they press buttons? That seems like a pretty shallow game to me. Why have a game with pretty graphics, music, story and animations and such like that at all? Why not have a giant black box with boxes all over the place and see how fast you can press the buttons in the right combination to make the number as high as possible?

Until all content in FFXIV no longer have DPS, HPS and Tank checks..... Yes if it means you clear the difficult content you signed up for or not. Otherwise, its a pretty pointless waste of time.

No seriously, I don't get why people simply don't understand that to clear a fight like A3S, A4S... hell even A7S you NEED numbers. You HAVE to burn down that boss HP pool, you HAVE to heal that amount of damage, you HAVE to absorb that amount of damage. This is goal oriented content we are talking about. You have a goal and this is the requirement to meet that objective and a parser is the impartial objective measurement instrument. While it is murkier to argue whether a parser is needed for less taxing content (as most of this stuff is journey/story oriented), my complaint is one of accuracy.

Chances are, the official parser will have access to the internal data of the game thus making the parse a lot more accurate. ACT is an approximation at best and while FFLOGS is accurate, it is also retrospective.

There is also the question of accountability. My biggest complaint for the anti parser people, why are you so afraid of accountability?
Healers + Tanks have had to deal with accountability from day 1, with the kind of logic the anti parser people throw around, we may as well remove the HP bar, MP bar and Emnity meter.

[Seraphix2407]

Short in short, in the DF there are no options. You play everyone's way or people get upset.

Yeah no worries. I'm well aware how I posted that picture. Keep in mind I didn't post it to say ''hey this is how they have fun''

Examples. You have those 4dps's together and it would mostlikely enrage. If you had either dps in a group of high/decent dps they would mostlikely think they are good on dps and doesn't need to change anything. You put them back in the same group and they would think WTF is going on. As you said, no one should push you for how you should play, but that also comes back to us. Don't do a alex 4 and do it half ass and expect people to do the job for you, because eventually things like that picture will happen. Also people tend to have ''fun'' on their own way, their own combos, doing whatever they want and think it's fine. Nobody should adapt to 1 guy in group or 4 others who wont listen, simply because they wont listen.

Another example and true story I read: 1 guy runs expert with 2 raid dps static guys. Healer is duty finder and once they done with the run the healer says: Wow that was quick, faster than usual and said his dps helped alot. But you know what? He dps without cleric stance. Do you think dps without cleric stance gonna make the dungeon 10 min faster then it usually is for him, hell even 20? Doubt it. Many aren't aware of how they perform because one day they will all meet up together and they know they wont make it. To me however, a parser isn't a parsers. And I could honestly stream a private stream for you if you wish that I can with my own playtime show you what I go through everyday. It doesn't happen ofte, but it happens way too many times a day it's getting silly.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Not everyone against parsers is afraid of accountability. If anything, a fair number that I've seen against parsers is far more concerned about the potential of abuse by those that may as well be CoDers, and the fact of the matter is that any criticism is portrayedby those trying to "help" in asuch a condescending manner that they might as well be drooling copious amounts of salt from their serpentine lips, as it were. It's rather rude as well to assume that everyone that doesn't want a parser doesn't try their hardest to max their DPS, again, because a parser won't ever actually help, particularly if the person in question doesn't want to help.

[Reiryuu]

There is also the question of accountability. My biggest complaint for the anti parser people, why are you so afraid of accountability?
Healers + Tanks have had to deal with accountability from day 1, with the kind of logic the anti parser people throw around, we may as well remove the HP bar, MP bar and Enmity meter.

Ummm hi. I am a healer... so exactly how am I afraid of accountability? How is not wanting FFXIV to become number simulator 2016 being afraid of accountability? How is not wanting to worry about being robotically perfect every time you want to play a video game after a long day at work being afraid of accountability? Why is it that not liking numbers being shoved into your face suddenly meaning that someone afraid of accountability?

It's like me saying all you proparsers want parsers to stroke your e-peen.

[Seraphix2407]

It's rather rude as well to assume that everyone that doesn't want a parser doesn't try their hardest to max their DPS.

It's also rude to just make up a number like 1350 people being kicked for not DPSINg as healer. So you are saying 1350 people out there who are innocent, are now bullies because you just made up some numbers earlier? I still stay on what I say, the numbers you made up sounds like you see it happen every 2/4 dungeons you enter, so please provide your info atleast. Making up things and talk like people are bad are way more rude than those who asume the ones who doesn't want a parser isn't trying their best. I'm sure there are people who do, but I'm also well aware many aren't trying and they are just comfy in their nutshell. When you are in a group, you don't expect people to adjust to you, you have to adjust to them. Behave and play decent.

Massive generalizations, massive assumptions, rudeness, calling people obsessed just because you don't share their opinion, calling people condescending/passive-aggressive/arrogant just because they were having a polite discussion with someone (that you weren't even apart of). Seriously, just stop it please.

I find it ironic some people just wants to make the world a better place, are the ones who make it worse. I agree. His older post are just toxic and negative and also (sadly) put's anti parser crowd into a bad spotlight. I'm not gonna shame all anti parser people because of this guy. What he do is shaming, name calling and abusing toxic words againt's people who uses parsers and even if he doesn't even know them, using a parser in his eyes you are automaticly an asshole. His post has so much irony.

[Reiryuu]

I find it ironic some people just wants to make the world a better place, are the ones who make it worse. I agree. His older post are just toxic and negative and also (sadly) put's anti parser crowd into a bad spotlight. I'm not gonna shame all anti parser people because of this guy. What he do is shaming, name calling and abusing toxic words againt's people who uses parsers and even if he doesn't even know them, using a parser in his eyes you are automaticly an asshole. His post has so much irony.

Well, how many proparsers have made gross generalizations and statements about people who don't want parsers? Apparently we are afraid of accountability, afraid of DPS checks, lazy and want entertainment without any effort because how dare we play a game to have fun.

One post mentioning this is right above here. Here's a few other posts one by you about the same picture you posted later in the thread.

Oooooh....it all makes sense. You're afraid of failing the DPS test. What if it turns out you're always top DPS and the best? Would you care about parsers then? If you knew you had nothing to worry about?

When you just want entertainment without eny effort, playing a game is not the right thing for you. You should sit back and watch only, like in the quiz show example above.

Check the picture I just posted. His term is ''fun'' How is it fun when few people in a group wanna do it half ass? How is it fun when we wipe at 66% enrage?

And I hesitate to call you out Seraphix, but going back to the previous post I commented about and how you said "Well I didn't say here's how they have fun" you actually kind of did.

See the two and compare:

Dad, how do I do this math problem?
Oh, that's easy. Here's how you do it.

Oh, that's easy. You do it like this:

Do you see now how easily some of your own posts can be interpreted as hostile and yet you're willing to ignore those. Was the person you two are referring to on the rude side when he made his point? Yes, and I'm not defending him/her. But you can't keep saying that we're the only ones making generalizations, assumptions and statements like this and ignoring the ones you(general) are making yourselves.

[Archaell]

Let me tell you a story, even though you are clearly busy trying to improve the way others express their points... it's not gonna work so you can stop. ^^


Few months ago I decided to try out the dps classes. This was really surprising in itself because originally I did not plan to play something that can just sit back and get carried without much effort.

So I picked up the machinist. The main reason behind it being the "songs" so it still seemed somewhat supportive and useful.

I played it bit, looked up the rotation, leveled it to 60 and then got kinda curious how much useless I was - so here I installed the parser... and it was horrible. The MCH dps being a little bit lower in itself helped neither. Anyways, after the initial shock of trying to figure out where does the MCH dps stand in the comparison to the other jobs, I managed to get satisfied with my performance... which ended quite fast when I got matched with another MCH who was doing much more than I did. I was seriously baffled by it... how come someone can do so much even though my rotation was golden? It seemed too much even for the gear difference, as I was still gearing up. So I was pondering, hitting the dummy and pondering some more - till it hit me back.

Maybe that useless dexterity potion could contribute more than I expected? You know, waste of gil, the effect is too short, barely noticeable... it did not seem worth it.

Whelp, nope, it boosted my dps so much I was just looking at the screen unable to comprehend it.

Without the parser I would have no idea how much the potions improve your dps contribution.

You may like parsers, you may hate them, but even if they would cause all the toxicity as it is believed they still help you to get better which also makes the experience itself better. Pretty much the better you are the less likely you are to get attacked by the toxic players that you might fear.


Now question time:

How many players do you think use the potions in Ex primals etc. if they have no idea how much dps that one button does? How many enrages could have been stopped? How many players are willing to waste their gil for the sake of killing that primal?

(It would be easier to answer while looking at some parser logs of course :3 but feel free to guess.)

[Reynhart]

Honestly, the stories you're providing have more to do with those people than parsers themselves. I understand having bad experiences, and I'm sorry you dealt with that, but as the old saying goes, "don't shoot the messenger," cause that's all a parser ever is: a messenger.

A parser is not a messenger, it's a tool. Yes, tools aren't inherently bad or good, but this has shown some really immature member.
You see, I wouldn't give baseball bat for free in a kindergarden...

Like I really don't know if this community is THAT toxic (and people are just assuming this will happen). Not saying there aren't jerks who will be a jerk with parsers but honestly they were probably going to be jerks anyway even without an official parser.

That's still not a reason to give them another mean to be so. That's why I suggested a toggled parser, to deal appropriately with each person you meet.

Healers + Tanks have had to deal with accountability from day 1, with the kind of logic the anti parser people throw around, we may as well remove the HP bar, MP bar and Emnity meter.

Did you die ? No ? Then your healer did his job.
Did you get aggro, was your tank OS by a tankbuster ? No ? Then he did his job.
But, when you're beginning to bitch about your healer because he too much or too litlle overheal...And I'm sure we'll come to bitching about tank having too much HP at the end of each buster, meaning they didn't use the right combination of cooldown for each buster...or that they were having too much vitality back in the days /wink /wink

Did you wipe on enrage on savage ? No ? Then it doesn't matter if your DPS weren't optimal.

Maybe that useless dexterity potion could contribute more than I expected? You know, waste of gil, the effect is too short, barely noticeable... it did not seem worth it.

Sorry, but if you need a parser to understand that boosting your main stat will boost your damage by a lot, you have another problem

[Rawrz]

Anyone else loving, that at this point, you know which crowd has gotten the last word in, just by recognizing the name?

[Archaell]

Sorry, but if you need a parser to understand that boosting your main stat will boost your damage by a lot, you have another problem

Tell me how exactly are you supposed to tell without any feedback? As I said - The effect is short, the CD is long, it really did not seem so great.

The main point is I would still have no idea without the parser or someone else parsing and telling me.

Getting better at dpsing is much easier with the parser than without it - or would you say that most of the players are so good they don't need the feedback parser gives them?