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    GoToSleep's Avatar
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    Sparda Redfox
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zamii View Post
    this opener was theorycrafted back in 3.0, and ultimately it was never as strong as the ones that are currently being used for the exact reasons you mentioned.
    Mind if I ask what's the current Meta opener? I just got back into the game and I quit a long time ago and I main Monk at that time. I'm looking to play Monk again so I would love to know good openers. There's 2 openers listed in the first post of the thread but I don't know which one to follow.
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    Mike Fisticuffison
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoToSleep View Post
    Mind if I ask what's the current Meta opener? I just got back into the game and I quit a long time ago and I main Monk at that time. I'm looking to play Monk again so I would love to know good openers. There's 2 openers listed in the first post of the thread but I don't know which one to follow.
    Everyone and their Grandmother uses the demo>pb opener exclusively, but I use both depending on the fight.

    If the boss does have a mechanic that forces you to not attack it very soon after the pull, I use the demo>pb one.

    If the boss doesn't, I use the snap>pb one.

    That's just me though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phireblast View Post
    Everyone and their Grandmother uses the demo>pb opener exclusively, but I use both depending on the fight.

    If the boss does have a mechanic that forces you to not attack it very soon after the pull, I use the demo>pb one.

    If the boss doesn't, I use the snap>pb one.

    That's just me though.
    I just looked at the openers and I have a question with this particular one:

    (PB) Demo --> Snap --> Snap (B4B) --> DK (IR) --> TwS (Pot) --> ToD (Elixir Field) --> Boot (Steel Peak) --> True (Howling Fist) --> Snap

    (Forbidden C) --> DK --> TWS --> Demo (Pot falls off).

    Does this opener not include a coeurl form shit and just shoulder tackle? The other opener on the front page I saw starts off at Snap Punch so I can safely assume that this opener uses coeurl form shift pre pull then shoulder tackle and then the opener.
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    Last edited by GoToSleep; 03-10-2016 at 03:58 AM.

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    U'tyada Tia
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoToSleep View Post
    I just looked at the openers and I have a question with this particular one:

    (PB) Demo --> Snap --> Snap (B4B) --> DK (IR) --> TwS (Pot) --> ToD (Elixir Field) --> Boot (Steel Peak) --> True (Howling Fist) --> Snap

    (Forbidden C) --> DK --> TWS --> Demo (Pot falls off).

    Does this opener not include a coeurl form shit and just shoulder tackle? The other opener on the front page I saw starts off at Snap Punch so I can safely assume that this opener uses coeurl form shift pre pull then shoulder tackle and then the opener.
    That opener does not use form shift as you can see there isn't a 3rd snap at the end of PB.

    As for what rotation is the current best, there is 2 basic ones that Phireblast mentioned, then there is Ossoms new opener which is somewhere on the last 10 pages iirc. Ossoms opener is probably the one that is the strongest. But overall the best opener is one that is adjusted for each fight.
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    Lilyth Chan
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by GoToSleep View Post
    I just looked at the openers and I have a question with this particular one:

    (PB) Demo --> Snap --> Snap (B4B) --> DK (IR) --> TwS (Pot) --> ToD (Elixir Field) --> Boot (Steel Peak) --> True (Howling Fist) --> Snap

    (Forbidden C) --> DK --> TwS --> Demo (Pot falls off).

    Does this opener not include a coeurl form shit and just shoulder tackle? The other opener on the front page I saw starts off at Snap Punch so I can safely assume that this opener uses coeurl form shift prepull then shoulder tackle and then the opener.
    A lot of people seem confused about the opener I posted, so let me give it a quick update. Also, no, it doesn't include Form Shift since it's not necessarily a DPS increase anymore. Imo, it's just annoying to do it everytime before your opener.

    [ST STARTER] (which I use in most encounters)

    Shoulder Tackle -->(PB) Demo --> Snap --> Snap (B4B) --> DK (IR) --> TwS (Pot) --> ToD (Elixir Field) --> Boot (Steel Peak) --> True (Howling Fist) --> Snap (Forbidden C) --> DK --> TwS --> Demo (IR falls off) --> Bootshine/Fracture (Pot falls off) --> ....

    [PB STARTER] (which I use in dummies/SSS, or when I'm close to the target)

    (PB) Demo --> Snap --> Snap (B4B) --> DK (IR) --> TwS (Pot) --> ToD (Elixir Field) --> Boot (Steel Peak) --> True (Howling Fist) --> Snap (Shoulder Tackle) --> DK (Forbidden C) --> TwS --> Demo (IR falls off) --> Bootshine/Fracture (Pot falls off) --> ....

    Here with the amount of skill speed the new MNK gear has, the last Demo is buffed by IR and Pot (it's pretty tight though. Sometimes the Pot clips the next GCD a bit and sometimes it doesn't, not sure why :/. It's a little weird, but the last bootshine or fracture is always buffed by the potion regardless of that). I'm a little lazy to do the math compared to the other openers but I have still been getting pretty good results with this one in general.

    But like many said before, if you truly wanna maximize your opener DPS, it's up to you to customize it according to each encounter.
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    Last edited by Lilyth; 03-10-2016 at 08:53 AM.