Tank enimity below 30 is lacking

[Asierid]

Citing that a vit paladin had to use extra flash over a strength paladin doesn't make any sense at all because flash doesn't do damage, it generates the same amount of enmity either way.

Except that the enmity from flash is increased based off of attack power since it generates based off potency. Throwing it out there.

It's not relevant away because aggro isn't an issue providing you know what you're doing. Savage blade also generates the same amount as Sunder these days, can't even go there anymore.

It's either an under geared tank or a rotational issue at this point. All tanks have the methods to hold threat just fine at any level.

[Bikkusu]

Except that the enmity from flash is increased based off of attack power since it generates based off potency. Throwing it out there.

It's not relevant away because aggro isn't an issue providing you know what you're doing. Savage blade also generates more enmity than Sunder does since the patch (3.7x vs 3.5x), can't even go there anymore.

It's either an under geared tank or a rotational issue at this point. All tanks have the methods to hold threat just fine at any level.

Except enmity from flash was a flat rate that wasn't based off attack power, which is why they increased the enmity rate later on. Just throwing that back.

[Asierid]

Except enmity from flash was a flat rate that wasn't based off attack power, which is why they increased the enmity rate later on. Just throwing that back.

Was, isn't. Missed that part, w/e. It would and still does blow unless it was pumped to 5x/6x like WAR/DRK AoE. So it really doesn't matter.

Still doesn't change the fact low tanks have no issues post patch.

[Bikkusu]

The purpose of leveling a class is not that you know it immediately, it's that you're learning it.

Learning these things for the first time is rather difficult, there is the novice training now; but that doesn't give you bonus enmity when you're in a dungeon and need to learn control, or if you have less gear than the rest of your dungeon members and they are ripping threat from you due to the changes that were made to reduce damage.

The reduced damage is affecting new tanks more than it's affecting people who are used to the control required for it.

[Asierid]

The purpose of leveling a class is not that you know it immediately, it's that you're learning it.

Learning these things for the first time is rather difficult, there is the novice training now; but that doesn't give you bonus enmity when you're in a dungeon and need to learn control, or if you have less gear than the rest of your dungeon members and they are ripping threat from you due to the changes that were made to reduce damage.

The reduced damage is affecting new tanks more than it's affecting people who are used to the control required for it.

Then that falls under the learning category when it comes to faults. That is something the player needs to get under control before attempting tanking or anything else in the game for that matter.

There isn't a mechanical fault here. There are no issues that are on fault of the class itself, but the person behind the keyboard.

[Bikkusu]

It's a mechanical fault as it is NOW affecting them after the changes. It previously wasn't a problem unless the person just wasn't paying attention at all.

[Asierid]

It's a mechanical fault as it is NOW affecting them after the changes. It previously wasn't a problem unless the person just wasn't paying attention at all.

Still isn't?

Since this is basically going to evolve into a he says she says contest, just leave it as it is. There is no fault here, as proven by the many people who stated as such in the previous thread. Flash blows, yes, but you are not pulling much in lowbie dungeons that tabbing won't suffice.

But hey. Lets make em all 5x.

EDIT: And people wonder why these threads are pointless. We're essentially trying to change something that isn't faulty so people can "learn the class easier". Fix flash. Give DRK some utilities. Leave the rest. Do research/read a book like any other half decent MMO on the market before you attempt to tank; it isn't a hard concept.

[Lethallin]

Halatali as a PLD/GLD is impossible to hold aggro against a BLM that knows how to DPS well.

It doesn't matter if your gear is the best, you're slightly too low level for RoH, and savage blade combo even with FoF just does not cut it for threat.

DPS can pull hate from you no matter what you do as a PLD. I did the same dungeon as a WAR/DRK, and had absolutely no problem. PLD is terrible at those levels.

[Jpec07]

It's a mechanical fault as it is NOW affecting them after the changes. It previously wasn't a problem unless the person just wasn't paying attention at all.

Except not really. Tanks 1-30 (1-40 for PLD) have always needed to adjust their play style to include more Flashes/Overpowers/Unleashes if they're losing enmity. The first few dungeons are meant to be a learning/teaching experience, just as they always have been. And as a new tank in 2.55, they taught me to pay attention to my party comp and adjust accordingly. BLM, THM, ACN, SMN, and SCH always mean that I need to work harder, tabbing between targets, spreading my enmity combo around, making sure I have a lead on everyone, and using Flash more frequently. This has always been the case on trash mobs, and is just as true in Lost City of Amdapor HM and Antitower as it was in my first Sastasha run. If a tank still learns the lessons of enmity management against packs of mobs as relates to group comp, then the system is working as intended.

Just because new tanks (may) need to be (slightly) more conscious of their enmity now does not mean the system is broken. It's still substantially easier to hold enmity now than it was in 2.x.

[Clasbyte]

Tank enimity below 30 is lacking

I can agree to that.