Tank enimity below 30 is lacking

[b_v1]

So I have ran several low level dungeons doing full hate rotation and watch as my aggro is being stolen by dps. I love that SE increased enmity for tank stance, but in low level dungeons keeping hate is a nightmare mainly because dps still don't know what an aggro meter is, or just don't care. I believe SE should increase enmity on flash, overpower, and unleash, or make tank stance available at lower levels. At lower levels tanks rely on both enmity generation and damage output especially WAR/MRD. While they increased enmity on higher level skills, they did nothing for basic enmity generating skills, on top of that they lowered damage output which also helped generate hate. So how do you feel about tanking in low level dungeons where enmity is lacking but is needed most because people are usually new players?

[Ultimatecalibur]

Sounds like you still have bad habits from the STR tanking meta. I know I'm still trying to break mine and adjust my low level rotation so that I won't have anymore problems.

Please remember that pre-3.2 Vit tanks needed 4 uses of Flash/Overpower/Unleash to generate as much enmity as 3 uses by a Str tank.

[GeekMatt]

At 2.0 Flash was craptastic, weaker than it is now. And not just flash, a number of abilities were buffed for aggro generation; CoS, Savage Blade, Shield Oath, and Shield swipe off the top of my head. Yes DPS have also been buffed but from what I've seen threat generation and aggro management is only easier now. I levelled and started gearing with a full VIT mindset and a never-lose-aggro mantality (which I could care less about now) so the nerf to our AP doesn't even factor in for me.

I'm not saying it's always easy to manage aggro, but you can manage aggro if you're paying attention. My standard has always been Shield Lob > Flash X 2 > Aggro combo. No more flash unless new mobs are introduced. Watch enemy HP and aggro meters and land hits exactly where they're needed. If you're depending on flash to outdo single target DPS, that's where you're going wrong. Also, fight or flight may have a special place for topping out your DPS, but the trick to hate management is getting a head start, so pop it as you pull if you have aggro concerns and you can start using it for DPS after that. I can't tell you how many tanks have argued this with me over the years only to watch them lose hate on the pull and kill someone.

"Why, back in my day..."

[b_v1]

Oh I do the regular rotation shield lob, flash x2, then hate rotation between adds, but even as I am doing full hate rotation on my marked add I am watching as DPS is pulling my hate on the same add.

[Asierid]

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1 bag of shredded mozzarella (to taste. Some people love their cheeses)
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[GeekMatt]

Food

If you think a tank with aggro concerns isn't a thread worth your time, you're probably treading around the wrong forum.

B_V1, I personally haven't experienced your problem, and I do run low level stuff as part of a newbie-oriented FC. But based on the number of complaints I've seen about aggro I expect to see it buffed in the near future somehow. In the past when a newbie has had this issue, it's been because they use riot blade or fail to use Fight or Flight. The only other thing I could think of is gear, particularly weapon damage.

[Kytori]

Today on Snacks with Asierid, where we give you kickass recipes while we wait for threads worth reading; we are going to be keeping it simple with some pizza rolls.

Ingredients:
1 can of biscuit dough (I prefer Pillsbury, dough man knows what's up)
1 bag of shredded mozzarella (to taste. Some people love their cheeses)
1 bag of pepperoni (I prefer the little home bags because I am cheap)
Any other topping of choice can be used as well.

Now, roll those biscuits flat and throw some toppings like you're god's gift to pizza hut. Mozzarella is to taste then roll these biscuits up into little sticks of greasy goodness before popping them in the oven for about 10 minutes. (You can just follow the times/temp on the biscuit package as well).

Bam. Bomb pizza rolls that are better than Totinos .

First of all, I just wanna say, Don't try this. I did this and buttered biscuits at least make this taste awful. Get plain ol unbuttered biscuits and some garlic spread, maybe some pesto sauce to add in here.

Second, (This is from the perspective of DRK sooo you know. Take it or leave it.) Lately, what I've been doing is Unleashing first and foremost. Put myself right at the top. I USE to do twice because of old Vit/Str thing but now meh. From there, I rotate to my first marked and unmend, DoT, then full aggro rotation before cycling through the mobs. If there's more than 2 extra mobs, I'll pop unleash again just before I start cycling. (This is cause the first skill DRKs have, if memory serves, doesn't have enmity generation on it like the following two.) If I were a pally, I'd say the problem may lie within the shield tossing. A DPS sees your first skill go off in low level dungs and they take that to mean 'Start unloading.' If that shield lob doesn't generate some sweet aggro, I'd say it may be more effective to use it as a 'Mob is getting away' button kinda like unmend for DRKs (Although no one really uses it this way if they don't have to.) That said, my pally isn't even 25 yet, I generally dislike the play style for some reason. Best you can do as a quick fix is maybe say, "Wait until I flash" to your party mates.

[Asierid]

If you think a tank with aggro concerns isn't a thread worth your time, you're probably treading around the wrong forum.

Because there are no aggro concerns to begin with. Now playstyle concerns, yes. There are plenty of those. All of which can be found in the hundreds of threads before this one concerning the exact same ( and wrong) thing and fixed by realizing the problem is between the keyboard and the chair. But that would require "research".
All three tanks have no threat problems a lt all pre-30 unless you are not keeping up with gear or doing the simplistic rotation wrong.

Does PLD suck to play before ShO and in AoE? Sure. Nothing FoF and some tabbing won't fix. You won't one button hero yourself to gear like a WAR.

Now back to your regularly scheduled food showing til we get some legitimate threads with concerns here. Like DRK lacking utility.

[winsock]

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[koroko220]

I think people who say keeping aggro isn't a problem haven't done dungeons pre-rage of halone and had blms mercilessly pull hate off them and laugh as you scramble to try to keep hate ._.