New Prelim Tank updates

[Syzygian]

Healer in my static brought up something very interesting:

Her thoughts were that SE actually doesn't care and may even -like- the imbalance of things. Coming from WoW and having been in progression raiding for a long time, she hates that we don't have true "alts" in this game, and you can have every job on a single character, and are expected to just simply switch jobs if there's a better option. It robs people of working with what they have, and working with the player.

Right now, there's a clear "better option" and with things on the path they're on now, having it run-away-train on us could more easily happen in this game than in others because the (ridiculous) class-job system has made it not only possible but laughably easy.

[Reynhart]

Coming from WoW and having been in progression raiding for a long time, she hates that we don't have true "alts" in this game, and you can have every job on a single character, and are expected to just simply switch jobs if there's a better option.

Totally.
"Go level WAR", "Go level MNK" is the lamest excuse to a balance issue.
If you could only level one job per character, they'd put far more attention to no job being left behind.

But it's one of the selling points of the game, and it would only start an unprecedented riot to change that.

[Starbirth]

I'd like to don the tinfoil hat with you but I really think SE is just trying to keep current FF fans happy since 1.0 was a disaster and all of 13 was pretty lackluster. Next DRK will get a buff in 3.25 or 3.3, just watch. Hopefully in the utility department though.

[Lyth]

It's good to be pigeon-holed into the MT role. With tank responsibilities being as unequal as they are on most fights, it's a relief not being stuck as OT. Some of us prefer to tank for more than two minutes of a fight, yeah?

Although every role has a "hybrid" position at the moment that is somewhat more in demand, the addition of one more offensively-orientated tank and healer should even it out (BLU/BST + DNC?). That way you have options if you want to be a tank without having to tank so much.

I would rather they get the balance right between PLD and DRK first, so that we're not stuck switching mains every other patch. If you make the dps gap between the two or the overall contribution of tanks to raid dps sufficiently small, you will swing completely in the opposite direction due to PLD's passive bonuses. I'm not a big fan of homogenization, but a bit less uncertainty from patch to patch would be nice.

[Rei_Fails]

Here is a short lesson in math:

When you talk down like this, you should deliver something cohesive. Inner Beast is 300 Flat potency, nothing more, nothing less.

Butcher's is 280 with no stance, 280 with unchained. 210 in Defiance. Now we'll add maim, 252.
IB is 300. Unchained, Defiance, irrelevant. Add maim, 360. How is this rounding up to 400?

[Reynhart]

When you talk down like this, you should deliver something cohesive.

It comes down to how people calculate the overall potency of WAR's rotation.
To sum up, they add everything and then apply all the damage modifiers, including the Defiance penalty.
Problem is, since Inner Beast ignores this, you have to bump its potency to "compensate"
So, for a BB combo followed by IB, you'd end up with : (150+200+280+400)*0.75 which is the same as (150+200+280)*0.75+300.

It's a little counterintuitive, but is makes all calculations easier.

As for how potency work, yes, it's linear. A 200 potency skill literally does twice the damage a 100 potency skill does.

[Rei_Fails]

It's a little counterintuitive, but is makes all calculations easier.

Right right, I see what he's doing now, thank you. Still,

Vengeance + IB is 46% + 400 potency heal

This was the original comment, not sure where the BB potency came into the equation, it's certainly not a 400 pot heal. (and was ignoring maim). Even if you increase it by a presumed 25% existing reduction for sake of easier calculations, it's still not 400 potency when determining the heal value.

[Reynhart]

This was the original comment, not sure where the BB potency came into the equation, it's certainly not a 400 pot heal. (and was ignoring maim).

It's a 400 potency damage move (Before Defiance penalty) that heals you for the damage amount.

The formula for heal is probably different so it may not really be a "400 potency heal", but you get the idea. And yes, he took a "basic" Inner Beast, withtout maim or slashing debuff.

[Rei_Fails]

Yeah I get what he's doing now, thanks.

[Torunya]

Also both of you are PLDs, which I guess is just an interesting side note. Viridian City is cool though.

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I have the strangest sensation that I'm being insulted.

I never actually voiced an opinion here other then the TP issue topic with Paladin. So you seem to have gravely misunderstood that I somehow insulted "a group of people just because I don't agree with their opinion."? I have not insulted anyone, however I was openly calling you out in what seemed like a very poor attempt at a low blow. Honestly, if you're going to drop subtle clues that only a handful of people will understand in a discussion, you might as well start with the explanation first and leave the passive-aggressive remarks out of it. That's very uncool, as you would have it.

And yes, Viridian City is bloody fabulous.