Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
Wait, what? It doesn't have any hidden potency bonus. It's simply doing 20% less damage in ShO, same as the Savage Blade before it
I was only talking about Savage's enmity bonus, which I specifically mentioned in my post. Comparing DASE raw (for convenience, mostly), it's 800 (150+250+400) potency to RA's 690 (150+200+340) (+100 for Savage bonus, effectively "790" potency). RA doesn't require any resource management (other than TP), so it, naturally, doesn't come with any other neat effects. Also, I am not really sure what planet I wrote that original potency number on, because I've made this argument before and used the right numbers, so... orz
Anyway, the added potency from Savage's enmity bonus is enough to keep your threat lead alive against DPS, but not necessarily other tanks; I don't think it's fair to compare DRK/PLD on a threat basis because PLD's MT threat is sufficient for handling DPS, but it's easily the weakest at keeping the other two tanks at bay in direct tank stance on tank stance pissing matches. I guess that's an indication that PLD's threat needs some attention, but I'm not sure what you'd do other than bumping the ShO multiplier to compensate.

Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
Put on Grit / Shield Oath and go dps a dummy. You will most likely find the DRK doing a bit more. This only becomes more the case when Blood Price is mixed in, AoE is unnecessary, DA-DD is unnecessary, and stance-dancing becomes possible, whereas stance-dancing is much more dps-costly for PLDs. PLDs gain 10 potency per second if Shield Swipe is ready every time its CD refreshes. The DRK typically gains quite a bit more in the long run, covering the Shield Swipe difference off Low Blow and Reprisal alone.
I haven't really taken stance dropping into account, because I don't run content with competent enough healers to drop tank stance outside boss pulls. I'd feel very, very sorry for the healer who had to try to heal me through a big trash pull because I wanted to squeeze out another 50 dps from dropping Grit.

Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
Also, isn't it usually a bad sign when a class is basically limited to the options of (1) using its non-enmity finisher in dps stance or using its (2) using its non-enmity finisher in tank stance. What ever happened to the viability of using the enmity combo, in either stance?
PLD only had that option for 2.55, and it was rough for WARs who wanted to MT. OT slot needs a high potency non enmity rotation to avoid the old "FOF ROH ROH ROH ROH we;lp RIP real MT, I'm the tank now" situation.