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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurogaea View Post
    No idea who that is....but I wish he'd supervise xiv
    1.0/FFXI producer, took the fall for 1.0 because SE decided to put it out early before everything was finalized, then we got Yoshi-P who supposedly saved the game by turning it into a generic WoW clone with a FF skin.

    Sorry, what I meant to say was: TANAKA IS THE DEVIL INCARNATE, 11 IS GARBAGE, HE RUINED XIV THANK GOD HE WAS FIRED PRAISE YOSHI-P
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpookyGhost View Post
    1.0/FFXI producer, took the fall for 1.0 because SE decided to put it out early before everything was finalized, then we got Yoshi-P who supposedly saved the game by turning it into a generic WoW clone with a FF skin.

    Sorry, what I meant to say was: TANAKA IS THE DEVIL INCARNATE, 11 IS GARBAGE, HE RUINED XIV THANK GOD HE WAS FIRED PRAISE YOSHI-P
    tanaka vision had a lot of shortcoming, between the exp rate and the land that was garbage, the lack of true content even.... how can we say him vision was good? even FF11 was far more polish at it release than was V1..

    Quote Originally Posted by Atoli View Post
    To answer the OP:
    I can see how this kind of cutscene could be problematic in ARR's story. In ARR, we are the obvious heroes. The beastmen who don't want to summon their Primals are okay, but every other beastmen is a target and summoning a Primal is "evil" (because Aether drain) without ever wondering WHY the tribes summon their Primals in the first place. The Circle of Knowing tells us "They are bad and you are good so go and defeat them" and we just obey. We should probably try and get rid of the REASON the beasttribes do those summonings, but instead we only deal with the result of the original problem, not the cause. It's like dropping bombs on a country to get rid of terrorists without thinking about what made people terrorists in the first place..
    actually if you look at all the cut scene it's explain why the tribes summons them primal:

    - Titan: the kobold and limsa had a treaty saying that the land of the island was for the kobold, but after the mess of dalamud, Limsa have stated to colonize the land pushing the kobold to them last place.... actually they are forced into that mess, Y'shtola snaps at the admiral about it.
    - Ramuh: he is the less agressive one, actually the sylph was attacked by the imperial army and since they was alone and pushed too (in the V1 you have a scene where the imperial literally invade the sylph territory), in the present day the imperial have litterally a base at the entrance of the sylph territory, then in despair they have summons Ramuh. by the way, the sylph under ramuh aren't aggresive if you don't invade them territory.
    - Ifrit: is the less clear, but even this one was called because of the war between uld'ah and the beastman.
    - Leviathan: if you do the Sahaghin quest you learn how the people of limsa have been quite hard on the sahaghin, leading them into an extremist reaction. they was needing shore for raise new born and was slayed.
    - Mog: it's explain too that mog was hunted by the imperial leading them to the summoning of them primal.

    each of them was even more affected by the massive destruction done by bahamut, it's important to remember that it was the human that did this... leading the beastman into a frightneed states.

    you don't need to make them look less evil, they had legitimate reason to do what they have done, however the summoning have lead them to be controled and loose them own will.... worst it's not possible to free them to that control.... they are evil and victim.... what make the situation quite strange.
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