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    Exodus-E's Avatar
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    Swygnebb Ahldhyltsyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by dinnertime View Post
    People seem to overlook Ramuh (and Shiva if she counts) when it comes to primals having a conscience or emotion. It's just that most of the Primals are very hostile.
    Most Primals also never seem to care about their followers, so far the ones who do are Titan, Ramuh, Shiva and Ravana, maybe?
    Actually most of them kinda do, even if only implicitly through side content (see: Beast Tribe related quests).
    It's just that some aren't outspoken about it (I recall Garuda calling the Ixali her children, for instance).

    The only ones that didn't seem to care much about their followers are Leviathan (who outright consumed that one Sahagin priest when he became aether) or Bismarck (who's more of a wild beast that consumes anything almost indiscriminately).
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    Kytre Ashaer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exodus-E View Post
    Actually most of them kinda do, even if only implicitly through side content (see: Beast Tribe related quests).
    It's just that some aren't outspoken about it (I recall Garuda calling the Ixali her children, for instance).

    The only ones that didn't seem to care much about their followers are Leviathan (who outright consumed that one Sahagin priest when he became aether) or Bismarck (who's more of a wild beast that consumes anything almost indiscriminately).
    Garuda and Ifrit don't either really.

    Both use them for power, nothing more, nothing less. If they were to suddenly stop granting that, they'd become as hated as everything else. Incidentally, the ones they "love" are all fully tempered, so the only way they can lose them is through death.
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    N'rhuna Veraan
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    That fact that you can only point to one summoned Primal (ignoring for the moment Ysale and Thordan's self-summoning shenanigans) as an example is sort of the point, actually.
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    Enkidoh Roux
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    A lot of this issue also stems from the fact that the 1.0 appearances were of the very first summonings of Primals, and thus the citystates at the time knew very little about them (in fact, part of the Path of the Twelve storyline had the player getting deaspected crystals for the beastmen which they knew were being used in summoning rituals, but no one truly appreciated just how dangerous the Primals were, and just regarded the rituals as 'harmless religious ceremonies'. By ARR however, there is no doubt as to the danger Primals pose to Hydaelyn and all who dwell on Her. The ARR storyline is merely reflecting the greater knowledge about them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rannie View Post
    Aaaaannnd now I just had a mental image of Lahabrea walking into a store called Bodies R Us and trying on different humans.... >.<

    Lahabrea: hn too tall... tooo short.... Juuuuuust right.
    Venat was right.

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    Skadi Felis
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enkidoh View Post
    A lot of this issue also stems from the fact that the 1.0 appearances were of the very first summonings of Primals, and thus the citystates at the time knew very little about them (in fact, part of the Path of the Twelve storyline had the player getting deaspected crystals for the beastmen which they knew were being used in summoning rituals, but no one truly appreciated just how dangerous the Primals were, and just regarded the rituals as 'harmless religious ceremonies'. By ARR however, there is no doubt as to the danger Primals pose to Hydaelyn and all who dwell on Her. The ARR storyline is merely reflecting the greater knowledge about them.
    Oh, we knew that summoning them is not harmless. Even before Louisoix came to Gridania.

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    Raifu Kurogaea
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    Oh, we knew that summoning them is not harmless. Even before Louisoix came to Gridania.

    As warriors of light we control darkness with ease (blackmage, darknight, summoner etc). Unlike others who summon them out of fear and weakness no doubt they'd succumb into darkness. Reasoning with them could easily be another way to return them into aetherial realm (or w/e its called again) and possibly turn them into an ally in a pinch. I wouldn't knock that idea personally.
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    Couple of things... They have explained that due to the graphic intensive textures they had to lower graphic performance from 1.0 to 2.0. New tech is now available so maybe we will get upgraded graphics later on. Second it has been stablished that our current primals aren't the real ones but "Dark Summons" that look tile the originals. So our 2.0 primals are actually evil and bad to Eorzea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathcharge View Post
    Second it has been stablished that our current primals aren't the real ones but "Dark Summons" that look tile the originals. So our 2.0 primals are actually evil and bad to Eorzea.
    The 1.0 Primals are no different.
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    I never got the chance to play 1.0
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    Katarh Mest
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    None of the summoned primals are "real" - they are what those who summon wish them to be. They really are the "eikon" - false gods - that the Garleons purport them to be. The Twelve deities that guard Eorzea could, in theory, be summoned as well.

    The Ala Mihgan youths foolishly attempted to summon Rhalgr as a primal. I'm frankly surprised the Ishgardians didn't at some point try to summon Halone.

    Edit: Not enough coffee yet.
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