Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[Gilraen]

They are literally losing a right to a tool, that PC has, while your side just occasionally might get their ego bruised by someone who can be black listed.

Losing a right? We have no rights in regards to XIV, we only have the privilege of playing as afforded by our subscription fees. Square has every right regarding the game for whatever reasons they see fit. It's all laid out in the EULA. Noone has a problem with personal parsers, not even the anti-parser crowd. It's the public parsers people are arguing over, or the potential demand to have personal parser data made public solely for the purposes of scrutiny.

[Odett]

Losing a right? We have no rights in regards to XIV, we only have the privilege of playing as afforded by our subscription fees. Square has every right regarding the game for whatever reasons they see fit. It's all laid out in the EULA. Noone has a problem with personal parsers, not even the anti-parser crowd. It's the public parsers people are arguing over, or the potential demand to have personal parser data made public solely for the purposes of scrutiny.

Why not come up with an actual counter-argument instead of arguing semantics?

[Kazumac]

Furthermore, even in easy content like A1N, the only reason that the DPS who pulls extremely low numbers is clearing the fight is because the other 3 members are making up for their lack of damage.

This is so much more prevalent than most realize. Also if you've been in the perfect storm of below average dps'ers across the board that you hit A1N enrage, it is frustrating. You can't have a fully open conversation about how to improve where everyone is on equal footing in terms of knowledge. With people who care enough to perform mechanics correctly but just need some help in the dps department, it is a frustrating situation that just doesn't have to exist.

[Ghishlain]

Because not a single person was able to calculate 1.1x150 and see that it is bigger than 150. Or calculating 40x6 + 150 and see that it is bigger than 320. Or seeing that 150 + 100 is bigger than 150 + 0.

I mean, that's, like...rocket science!

I'm surprised a parser could even be programmed, considering it requires knowledge of basic addition and division. Truly, a math wizard must have done it. No regular mortal can possibly possess such knowledge.

Could you optimize the DRG rotation for me please? It has two DoTs, one that is part of a combo, while maintaining both Heavy Thrust, Blood of the Dragon, and Disembowel in a four part combo. I feel like I should try to extend out my rotation some because if I alternate TT and ID combo I start to clip my DoTs resulting in a potency loss though it doesn't quite match up with my Heavy Thrust Timer. Oh, also when should I be using Blood for Blood?

All these questions can be answered with hard math, but it's certainly much more complicated to optimize that then you're putting forth in your extremely sarcastic and belligerent response. Just an FYI.

The question is baited thats why, anyone can and will see it being baited. A better question is, why should all players in all content be subjected to play at the top tier level when maybe they don't want to? Maybe people are satified with beating content and not how big their number was? Blanketing all players to play as a top tier raider in all content is what slowly killed ff11 for some. Every player was told to gear swap or quit the game no matter the content. Even leveling people did it before GoV tomes.

I think the game is fine as it is, keep parser use to top tier players in preformed groups for toip tier raid content, and let those who don't wish to play at that level (or can't due to personal things) be abler to play in a relaxed enviroment.

If we're wiping to Minotaur in Fractal because the DPS can't kill it fast enough and we run outta baits for the Minotaur to eat and we're only using them on each super swing, who do you think is responsible? That's a DPS check there in "low tier" content and probably can be seen if a group of minimum ilvl goes in and the DPS are of low skill.

Performance should be important to everyone in every branch of play. You may not need to be "playing like a God", but being able to see your numbers and how to improve those numbers should be part of any player's thought process. If we lack the tools to gauge performance readily available, how can we expect players to improve? That's some food for thought.

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@Parser's are evil topic

Parsers are a tool for players to use. The good players will use it to improve their performance. The belligerent players will use it to inflate their ego and stroke their e-peen. Take note that the good player will still ask for advice and constructive criticism where applicable if they don't have access to a parser and the belligerent player will still be a jerk regardless if they have access to the hard numbers or not.

[SnugglesD]

Thats not true...

ff11 2002 PS2 only jp ff11 2003 jp pc ff11 2003 later that year pc NA launch ff11 2004 NA ps2 launch.

ff14 2.0 pc/ps3 launch. A good amount of jp players are ps3.

MMo pre-parser Everquest, Ultima.

Pre-mmo MUD, MUSH Parser not allowed.

How do you think rpg are played offline??

Lol you think it matters that a minority of players in FFXI and FFXIV play on consoles? Judging by what your post you didn't understand anything I said. I said that all of the rotation resources FOR THIS GAME available online were all parsed.

And why the hell did you bring up MUDs? Seriously? RPGs are all math. Every one of them. The argument you're trying to make is that you just don't want to have any idea what numbers are going on. I hate to break it to you, but anyone at anytime can figure out how crappy your damage is by going through the battle log with some paper and a pencil. You're complaining about a freaking calculator. All the data it uses is displayed for anyone that wants to look.

[Kazumac]

Because not a single person was able to calculate 1.1x150 and see that it is bigger than 150. Or calculating 40x6 + 150 and see that it is bigger than 320. Or seeing that 150 + 100 is bigger than 150 + 0.

I mean, that's, like...rocket science!

I'm surprised a parser could even be programmed, considering it requires knowledge of basic addition and division. Truly, a math wizard must have done it. No regular mortal can possibly possess such knowledge.

You don't make an educated theory and call it fact without measuring it, if possible. That would be ignorant. Yes people come up with the ideas by mathing it out. Then they test it and compare it to make sure that in practice they are right. They then see how to apply it to various fights and phases and make adjustments based on the fight and measure the results. No it's not rocket science but the proof is in the quantitative result not in the theorycraft.

[Crysten]

The question is baited thats why, anyone can and will see it being baited. A better question is, why should all players in all content be subjected to play at the top tier level when maybe they don't want to? Maybe people are satified with beating content and not how big their number was? Blanketing all players to play as a top tier raider in all content is what slowly killed ff11 for some. Every player was told to gear swap or quit the game no matter the content. Even leveling people did it before GoV tomes.

I think the game is fine as it is, keep parser use to top tier players in preformed groups for toip tier raid content, and let those who don't wish to play at that level be abler to play in a relaxed enviroment.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is why we can't have nice things.

[Misutoraru]

Not

nope, i have been playing MMO very very long, i m not revealing my age here
this tool only come in a certain MMO in past few years, and mostly found in NA/EU community

the tool is not a stats of sport, is a tool
yeah, use it correctly improve ppl skill, miss-use it harm
simple as that
a knife use it correctly it help daily life, miss use it hurt
a car use it correctly it improve daily life, miss use it kill


we are all speaking from our experience
and my experience are, i have been playing mmo without it and living very well in game
i have been playing mmo with it and see how the community miss use it, turn it into elitism war

of coz you could experience differently and you could support it
but when everyone just see what they want to see and ignore the rest
it would be a never ending debate

for example, against it will see it as toxic and harm ignore the good it bring, supporter see the good value behind and ignore the negative it bring

i m not against it nor support it, or i should say i support and against to a certain extend
the same argument have been put up for ages, and we all know it will never come to an end
i m just trying to find a middle ground which would fulfill the need of supporter and eliminate the possible harm it bring
what i asking, ppl to join this brainstorming
to improve and suggest better idea
rather than keep fighting each other which obviously would not come to a consensus

[Kaurie]

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I don't think your post really responds to my questions. I am going to go out on a limb and assume there is a language barrier, as it appears English may not be your first language. In which case you may have misunderstood my questions, or I may be misunderstanding your response.

The first point, I said "This suggests that someone would only want to improve themselves while doing hard content. This also suggests that "hard" content is the same thing for everyone, which it clearly isn't."

This was in response to you suggesting that the tool is only useful in hard content and to be put in PF and left out of DF. To reiterate, the tool is not only useful for hard content, and hard content is subjective. For example, someone new to to the game may want to be testing themselves and improving in Brayflox normal mode.

The 2nd question was in regards to your statement that 40% of MMO's have a parser. I was just wondering where that data came from? Was there a study, or is there a list somewhere? Is this just your experience from 3-5 MMO's you've played, or maybe from your experience playing 20 MMO's? To put this in perspective, on mmorpg.com's game list, there are 865 entries (yes this includes some unreleased titles).


EDIT: In regards to your overall message, that is great. It would be great to come to some sort of consensus and/or compromise. My issue, is that I see more issues arising from meeting half-way. Giving partial and not full information may lead to people having the frustrations that people expect with a parser, but will lack the information needed to provide credibility and/or to confirm their suspicions. That's why I think a personal parser will be more harmful than a public one. I also think that having it in some situations and not all would be annoying, and likely result in similar issues as above.

TLDR Add it full or don't add it, because something in between will just cause issues.

[NamoNanamo]

Could you optimize the DRG rotation for me please? It has two DoTs, one that is part of a combo, while maintaining both Heavy Thrust, Blood of the Dragon, and Disembowel in a four part combo. I feel like I should try to extend out my rotation some because if I alternate TT and ID combo I start to clip my DoTs resulting in a potency loss though it doesn't quite match up with my Heavy Thrust Timer. Oh, also when should I be using Blood for Blood?

All these questions can be answered with hard math, but it's certainly much more complicated to optimize that then you're putting forth in your extremely sarcastic and belligerent response. Just an FYI.

You don't even need hard math for the rotation. And if you level up your dragoon, it seems logic. The rotation isn't the problem. And it's quite easy.
The opener is far more complicated but not that complicated.
But I agree, to maximise the dps, it's much easier with a parser. But still, even without the best rotation opener, without parser, you could down Savage.

I'm pro-parser btw.