Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[ArcyEvil]

32 pages and not a single response from a community team member, would a "We're sending the feedback to the development team" or, "It's not going to happen" really hurt? Either way, the arguing is getting a tad pointless as it's clear we're not going to get a response one way or another.

Didnt u know they only answering when its about glamour?

[Toguro]

All this thread is doing now is staying at the top and pushing other threads down as people are still arguing in an argument that should've been over on the 10th page.

[Azazua_azura]

All this thread is doing now is staying at the top and pushing other threads down as people are still arguing in an argument that should've been over on the 10th page.

And? It bumping the thread and getting the OP request known. You do know that debate asaid if a thread has a good idea it will be looked into if the Devs feel the reward is worth it.

[Azazua_azura]

@ colourfull

Not to nit pic there other ways of dealing with low dps players, such as, asking why their dps is low ^^;; for all you know the persin in question could be laggy. (been there)
Or sick (been there)
You could go "what some advice?"

How does a person learn if they are kicked with out question? Which is btw reportable to wrongful dismissal.

[Colorful]

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You can report someone for dancing in Idyllshire, doesn't mean any action will be taken. I said their performance was poor, and kicked them, if they intend to join a party that stats "High DPS required" and perform poorly, and then get offended when they do get kicked, I don't even know how to respond. Regardless, if they're joining my party while sick or laggy, what do you expect me to do, Give them a free pass because they're sick? No can do. As for giving advice, as much as I'd love to do that, I'm only familiar with Monk and Ninja as I don't like playing more than one class at a time in pretty much every game.

[UBERHAXED]

@ colourfull

Not to nit pic there other ways of dealing with low dps players, such as, asking why their dps is low ^^;; for all you know the persin in question could be laggy. (been there)
Or sick (been there)
You could go "what some advice?"

How does a person learn if they are kicked with out question? Which is btw reportable to wrongful dismissal.

You can get kick from a non-instance party for any reason. There is no such thing as wrongful dismissal in the context of the post you were replying to (referring to premade parties using the PF).

[ArcyEvil]

@ colourfull

Not to nit pic there other ways of dealing with low dps players, such as, asking why their dps is low ^^;; for all you know the persin in question could be laggy. (been there)
Or sick (been there)
You could go "what some advice?"

How does a person learn if they are kicked with out question? Which is btw reportable to wrongful dismissal.

So majority of ppl in DF are sick or lagging? In PF things arent better too... Iam the luckiest person ever then, coz i have fc of healthy and not lagging ppl.... The truth is ppl dont know what and how they are doing not having proper tools, and u even cant tell them that coz u can be banned for harrasing, so we are forced to kick them with only something like "Sry u are bad"

[Critical-Limit]

@ colourfull

Not to nit pic there other ways of dealing with low dps players, such as, asking why their dps is low ^^;; for all you know the persin in question could be laggy. (been there)
Or sick (been there)
You could go "what some advice?"

How does a person learn if they are kicked with out question? Which is btw reportable to wrongful dismissal.

You make the most extreme scenarios and pretend it happens every time without fail. I HAVE extremely casual friends who ignore all my advice. And even they rarely ever get kicked for doing worse dPS than the whm. Does what you describe happen? Yes. Enough that it makes it so new people can't learn? No.

I've seen MUCH more things like "ok WAR it's tutor time" and the whm critique the war. More than silent kicks. I've only seen like 2 silent kick attempts which were both declined in the 6 months that I played. Most people just leave if they can't take it.

[Critical-Limit]

Might be worth noting (I don't know if you actually go to the DPS forums to find Optimal rotations)

I read dPS forum stuff all the time. It's usually "theory" on potency like you said but then people run it through the parse to "test it" its one of the things they did to find out if clipping certain dots was worth it.

Plenty of times people were wrong on theory proven through parse. Fracture being a par of monk rotation back in the day people believed in theory fracture was DPS loss. Turns out no there is a small window of time where it's dPS gain.

[UBERHAXED]

I read dPS forum stuff all the time. It's usually "theory" on potency like you said but then people run it through the parse to "test it" its one of the things they did to find out if clipping certain dots was worth it.

Plenty of times people were wrong on theory proven through parse. Fracture being a par of monk rotation back in the day people believed in theory fracture was DPS loss. Turns out no there is a small window of time where it's dPS gain.

Spreading misinformation to this degree should be a crime against the human race and you should go to jail. You literally just said that try and error and measuring can possibly be better than theory. There's no such thing as "theory proven wrong by parse". That means there is either a bug in the parser (likely) or the person doing the theory had some fundamental flaw (which does not fault anyone else doing theory). Please in detail with proof give an instance where a perfect rotation (which are all published by dates here) was not a perfect rotation (contradiction?) This a tautology; the rotation cannot be improved by definition. Also theory is based on relative value (that is potency). Unless the potencies displayed in the game are incorrect, then there is no better value to compare other than a potency per second rotation. There have been cases where there was actually a bug in the game regarding moves (in 2.0 for example, flaming arrow always crit, effectively giving it 350*1.5 potency instead of 350*(1.5* crit chance) but this translates ultimately to a bug in the parser, since it bases values like DoTs from the information written the game. So even in this case, the parser will just give you in accurate numbers. I'll give you a metaphor:

You just told me that I should build a prototype space ship and keep reinventing the wheel, making random "design" decision instead of spending the overhead designing it properly using physics. If you some how think this a valid argument, then I'd advise you to keep it to yourself so you don't confirm to everyone your degree of stupidity.

No, what's ironic is that you don't realize the two are actually the same thing.

You cannot have one without the other, how can one improve if they don't know where improvement starts?

Self improvement and party evaluation are not mutually exclusive concepts, they go hand in hand.

Finding the weakest link in the party also means that player now has a point of reference to start improving, any player can sit there and spike high numbers on a stationary dummy parse because it doesn't move or hit back, the real test is going into live content where it matters and seeing if your skills and gear hold up while you deal with fight mechanics.

Maybe that player learns they need to hold a GCD between a certain move? Maybe that DRG knows they are going to lose BoTD due to a phase change so they need to adjust before hand? Maybe the BLM has to change the timing of when they toss down Ley Lines in order to get the most out of it's duration? Maybe your accuracy was too low for the encounter or maybe you're overshooting by 100 points and can swap out a piece of gear?

These are things you learn in live content and are exactly how you improve your play.

The thing is this happens at the same time you are also trying to clear content and this is where proper evaluation and data helps and if a single player isn't up to the level of the content it doesn't mean that the 7 others in the party aren't either, they should have every right to know this and adjust accordingly if they need to in order to continue making attempts on the fight.

The key is not taking critique as a negative.

It's entirely possible to be the weakest link one run, get some practice in and turn around to top the charts the next time around, but if you had no idea that you were under-performing before then how would you have any idea whether or not you needed to improve?

Please, step by step, tell me how a parser giving me a 1245 will tell me to use BoTD before a phase change. In detail.

I think I still missed the part where the parser actually improves your dps. It's a measurement tool which only tell you how much damage you did at the end/time. Knowing this arbitrary scalar value will not tell you to put raging strikes before the iron jaws reapplication, common sense does (which incidentally does not require a parser). It's only literal use is to determine if a piece of gear you swapped was beneficial. Parsers cannot improve your rotation, just as your boss telling you that you are productive only 46% of the time cannot improve your productivity. Every single person (disclaimer: assuming people use a brain) knows when they perform poorly for a fight. Every time you deviate from the perfect dummy rotation, you have a dps loss. A parser does not tell you what the perfect rotation is, nor does it give you messages about what you did that was not part of the perfect rotation. Using a parser will not improve your rotation. You should have known your perfect rotation from the start! Please do not argue in favor of using a parser if you do not understand it's usage and what the number means.

I'm pro-parser btw; I know exactly how to use the values that are issued.