Quote Originally Posted by Vlady View Post
You first disagree with me then in essence agree with me. Scholar dps is not because its potency is similiar or broil is less then mal 2 it is because its dps is mana neutral for a healer and can sustain 800+ dps quite well compared to an astrologian which yes its offensive abilities are greater because of that fact alone. Not to mention you yourself also pointed out that the fairy is one hella of an ace that lets the scholar sustain its offensive abilities more easily then an astrologian ever could at this stage of the game. You have ruin 2 for times of required movement and are able to stay in cleric stance for longer periods of time because of the abilities you mentioned before.

Or are you saying that raids do not bring scholar for its ability to push strong dps without crippling the jobs ability to heal during phases that require both healers?
Well, yes. Even at its best, unless the fight is add intensive like A2 where Bane can do some serious work then a SCH doing their best to DPS is only going to amount to half an actual DPS class these days. I am not belittling healer DPS here, as pretty much all our first clears are more or less at the enrage timer with me DPSing my little heart out, but the difference between a SCH and an AST in primary DPS mode is going to be slight, especially if the AST is lucky with Balance draws in which case their party contribution may actually end up more overall. We ran AST/SCH for A3S and those card buffs definately helped out in making the DPS requirement for the first few weeks before the AST switched back to WHM.

Now if you're comparing WHM to SCH then there's a very real difference, as WHM lacks any DPS moves that don't rely on accuracy, so they're very susceptible to the poor state of healer hit rates that savage currently hits us with. Even as a SCH Miasma, Aero, and Broil will miss quite often, so having Bio/Bio II/Shadowflare always land is a huge benefit that AST shares with Combust/Combust II. Not to say WHM isn't considerable DPS for a healer when they need to be, as their burst is easily superior to SCH during parts like A3S's pudding phase, and Aero III/Stone III is absolutely nothing to sneeze at comparitively. But again, SCH has that reliability with the never-miss dots, and when coupled with WHM's regens and overall easier time AoE healing they tend to push the heal-DPS role onto SCH when it's just boss single target or adds beefy enough to bane. Partly because they're good at it, but also partly because WHM has an easier time keeping the raid topped off after damage.

Back on point, I will agree that a SCH being safer than an AST with regards to fairy heal is a DPS advantage between the two, but again I feel this is the reason that SCH is currently preferred, and not because their DPS results are somehow amazingly higher than other healer classes. The cards are supposed to offset the fairy, and while card abilities can prove very useful a SCH's role is primarily mitigating big damage spikes over all else, be they AoE or tank buster, and while AST can handle tank buster shielding just fine a SCH does it just a little easier. For one thing they can do other things while in Sacred Soil, and with Eos they can both shield and regen at the same time. >_>