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  1. #1
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    AzureFlare's Avatar
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    Lucille Lifeblossom
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    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Vlady View Post
    Use to see over 200 white mages on at night but id wager the astrologian has taken allot of traditional white mage mains.
    A lot of that has to do with white mage being way stronger before 3.07 than D.AST, so people invested their esos into WHM and sticked with it for a long time. Besides, I see a ridiculous amount of WHM every day on my own server, already had a Void Ark run where I was the only non-WHM, so N=1 arguments have little value here.

    I just wish Nocturnal would be on par with SCH. The AST vs WHM debate has been discussed over and over now and gear has already gone past the point that we could just ditch the discussion and acknowledge it doesn't really matter, but AST vs SCH is such a non-discussion in favor of SCH. It isn't even like nocturnal is weak, at all. Sure, potency-wise it is inferior to diurnal, but it allows you to boost eHP and gives you a spammable 'oh shit' burst heal should you ever be in trouble, and the potency difference isn't even that detrimental aside from Aspected Helios. Against the other benefits of having a SCH though, N.AST just seems like a less reliable healer that requires more effort to match an 'okay' SCH, while a remotely good SCH completely trumps nearly every N.AST.
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    myahele's Avatar
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    Tonrak Totorak
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 90
    I am currently level 56 AST and i have to say I am enjoying it. I like the visuals, and up until you get Gravity, it pretty much plays like a WHM, especially if you go Diurnal Stance. But with RNG-buffs.... In fact, my controller set up is roughly the same for both .

    I find myself not using nocturnal sect unless I team up with a WHM since it's seem pretty weak compared to SCH's shields and Diurnal. This isespecially true for big pulls and aoe damage. Since regens can stack, but not shield.

    I still prefer WHM overall though
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    Last edited by myahele; 11-17-2015 at 08:10 AM.

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    GarnetTribal's Avatar
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    Garnet Tribal
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 70
    The more I play, the more I appreciate the other healer WHM slightly larger range on Medica II. As an AST, there are times where I know my Aspected diurnal Helios isn't going to hit everyone reliably. WHM and AST are definitely similar, but they DO have strengths/weaknesses.

    Noct just shouldn't have as many weaknesses to SCH very few weaknesses. Too large of a gap. I do hope they don't just increase potency though. Give them something else..like, empower shield by 30% when using CO. Maybe give their shield a % to reflect damage. Or maybe when the shield pops, it heals for 10% of the amount shielded.
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    Vlady's Avatar
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    Fomortis Vulen
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 60
    I would be all for a new type of shield mechanic for astrologians that gives a partial shield that reduces damage taken by a % until it the damage breaks the shield hp buffer and turn nocturnal into an offensive stance.

    Remove cleric stance for astrologian and let nocturnal be a weaker version of cleric stance but no healing potency decreases with above unique shield mechanic.
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    Johnny Bgoode
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 60
    I think what would be cool, is to change the sects completely, pretty sure it won't happen. Durnal should give lower regens, but gain a percentage of damage taken to the regen porency. Noct could maybe lose initial healing potency but bock a percent of damage for a set time and heal for damage blocked once the timer ran out.
    This could allow for greater distinction between healers and make celestial opposition and time dilation useful for noct sect.
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    Yhisa's Avatar
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    Susubi Subi
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    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 90
    Hmm i have been ast from the start of heavenward... What annoys me is that we are compaired to whm and sch.. I dont even say diurnal or nocturnal sect no more only my whm stance or sch stance, which is wrong, i want to heal as a astrologian with my cards xD
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    Yhisa's Avatar
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    Susubi Subi
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    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 90
    Tbh make diurnal sect the healer stance with specific cards to aid healing and turn nocturnal sect into dps and buffer stance and give that specific cards to aid with damage and support

    For example whilst in diurnal every held card effects your aspect benefic so if u hold bole your aspect healing spells grant the damage reduction buff aswell as heal them

    Whilst in nocturnal sect your cards can enhance certain spells for example whilst holding balance ur malefic 2 apply weakness increase the target damage taken by 5% from all sources

    Astrologian need to be purely focus around its cards aspect healing and there cooldowns

    Another example would to use time dialation to extend all debuffs by 15 sec which is 5extra ticks worth of damage for all jobs
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    Yhisa's Avatar
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    Susubi Subi
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    Phoenix
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Turn royal road into a card eater skill which u burn for mp and drop all effects what royal royal road and make royal road reduce the next draw by 10 sec so im waiting 20 sec instead of 30 for my next draw

    For example im looking for bole for my aspect benefic due to high damage but i draw spire i royal road spire for mp and reduce my next draw by 10 seconds, 20 second later i pull bole, i spread bole and now all my aspect healing spells grant the damage reduction to players with my aspect healing spells on them

    Aspected helios gives 5% damage reduction for 20 seconds
    Aspected benefic 10% damage reduction for 10 seconds

    How ever they cannot stack

    Now if i want the 15% damage reduction for tank busters i would be force to use the spread card to gain the enhance version but they would need to reduce spread cooldown alot and buff all cards to 20% to make it worthwhile
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    Mimifu Mifu
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    Omega
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Yhisa View Post
    stuff
    Just saying, you don't need to do 3 post. You just need to edit your post if you want to remove the character limitation.
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    Yhisa's Avatar
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    Susubi Subi
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    Phoenix
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by NamoNanamo View Post
    Just saying, you don't need to do 3 post. You just need to edit your post if you want to remove the character limitation.
    Yeah i know but u cannot edit your posts on tablet that why i posted 3 times
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