I don't want to tank dungeons anymore...

[Azazua_azura]

This is the reason i switched to tonberry. I started to play this game officially a year ago in september when i dumped my ex who was trying to control my life (i was living with him).

When i came back I couldn't think of what to play and desided to roll tank, it something different. From all the DF parties I had i can with out a doubt say the NA community is not friendly to fresh tanks. I played on The aether and primal data center it was always the same. I go in saying I'm new, or still learning. Stating I'm open for tips. At most i'd get a hello. Id try to pull to what I was capable of, and most if not every run Id get ragged on, partly over not being an enmity powerhouse (even in the starter dungeons) or I didn't pull big enough. I tried and mennage to get to 50 on paladin ( at this point I was tanking ok) I got into doing my paladin relic, and tanked the HM primals fine, I tanked hydra as best as I could and off tanked chimera.

I got to AK, and was harrassed to the point of tears by a roe whm. Cussed me out for pulling everything, cussed me out for pulling to slowly, to pretty much sum up the harrassment I was human filth for being a new tank to AK. We kicked her out but she only came back in and continued. Me and my BF tried to explain my situation, that I was on the ps3, my net was laggy mid dungeon. They thought I was a lier and troll and the experience almost gave me a panic attack.

I spent the rest of the dungeon crying, doing my best to keep up with the whm who pretty much was tanking at this point.


I had other cases like when sastasha was new, amd I was marking mob (which i mostly do for myself to improve) I was cussed out by 2 blms who told me to stop, i tried to explain it was for my benefit, they laughed at me and I ended up just leaving,

Big thing about this is I was diagnosed with ADD, the way I learn is by doing. I get nothing from reading guides, or watching vids, its not how I take in information. I also playu on the ps3 and no longer have a tablet (it was defective) and ps3 browser doesn't handle most sites well I'm lucky i can access these forums.

Also a good portion of my play time I was playing on an SDTV, playing in 480p SUCKS. aND LASTLY I was diagnosed officially with Aspergers having high anxiety. I'm high fuctioning, but ya I still have troublres with some basic things people take for granted, and I've only just recently started to take anti anxiety pills.

I seriously think anyone against the OP needs to be taken down a peg, I fully understand you do what the majority wants.Thing is though, unless you communicate, you don't know what the majority is. All i read is people who assume they are the majority and use hypothetical "what about the 3/7 other players" You should only speak for yourself not the other members.

the execption is if there is a new player, its kinda stupid to assume they can tank/dps/heal at an expert level from the get go. You can read all the tool tips, watch all the videos, read all the guides you want but that doesn't make you an expert. Infact most guides and vids are out of date anyway due to playstyle changes, updates to skills, and wider range of jobs and players outgearing content causing stuff to be missed or skiped.

anyway that my 2 gil.

[Malevicton]

"Taking a group hostage" is a load of baloney. I personally have never seen a tank say "I am going to go as slow as possible, suck it!". If a tank pulls individual groups, it's adding maybe 10 minutes max to a run. Some people just aren't comfortable doing full pulls, and that's OK. Or perhaps they're new to tanking/dungeon/whatever.

The point you praised was this: "Go ahead and pull mobs ahead of me when I'm tanking. I have other things to do and don't mind leaving. How's that extra time waiting fora replacement tank working for your speed run now?" I get that people pulling ahead is annoying, but it's a minor annoyance at worst. Run up and unleash, everything's good again. If you're going to try and punish your group by using q times, then you're using your position as tank to hold the group hostage. And just plain being a dick.

Someone being immature towards you (like pulling extra stuff) does not give license to be immature to them ("well then screw u enjoy q times!"). All that means is that 2 people were immature instead of 1.

And no, I am not telling people to go out and become primadonnas, but if they are so bothered with how the general public plays a particular role, I am advising them to go out there and do it themselves. "If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself" type of thinking. Of course people can have opinions, but simply moaning non-stop about it on forums and doing nothing about it is completely pointless. Being assholes to the people in game is also not productive.

What if I want passable dps? Or a whm that knows what holy is? I can't do all 4 roles myself, so expecting some degree of competency from my party members isn't so much to ask.

I don't want to tank. Not because it's high stress (it's really not). I did it for years. I'm tired of it. I'm not gonna do it just because so many other people are bad at it. It's not what I enjoy. Why does that mean I don't get any say in how my group's handle stuff? I'm still 1/4 of the party regardless.

But apparently that means I'm saying people should be assholes in game -.-

[Suirieko]

This is the reason i switched to tonberry. I started to play this game officially a year ago in september when i dumped my ex who was trying to control my life (i was living with him).

When i came back I couldn't think of what to play and desided to roll tank, it something different. From all the DF parties I had i can with out a doubt say the NA community is not friendly to fresh tanks. I played on The aether and primal data center it was always the same. I go in saying I'm new, or still learning. Stating I'm open for tips. At most i'd get a hello.

There are a lot of rude people out there, I agree. My posts may come across as very snarky, but I'm very understanding when it comes to tanks who is new at their job.

Just not so understanding when it comes to a very well seasoned tanks who still expect to do things slowly. Sorry, but that's now how it works, that's not how any of this work.

[KingOfAbyss]

Don't people play for the challenge? I mean, what makes you feel more tanky than pulling an entire room and holding it to your command.

Nope, I don't need that type of challenge to play a TANK. If I would like to DPS in the same way, I would have to change game because I've played others that gave decent DPS numbers.

I play to have fun, to chill; not to boost my ego with: "look ma, I'm the shizz! There ain't no one better than me!"

If so, create a pro group and do competition to earn money like in other games.

This game is for casuals. Not happy? Wait for the longer Q and QQ.

The roulettes should state that it was implemented to help newbies and those who need to improve.. and they gave us XP and Gil to compensate: else no one would bother to go there, specially some type like Speeders.

People tend to forget that part. ^

The real challenge in here comes when the 2 other people in melee or one melee and one ranged with us attack 2 different mobs. (and you say you know how to play hmm..)

I believe if they would focus on one, he would go down faster, then the mobs would be doing less dmg overall because after 1 killed it's one less that does DMG, making the Healer to DPS on the same mob instead of healing, then.. even faster.. the dungeons would go faster..

*shrugs*

I play Tank because of faster Q first, and enjoy it second.

I would love to go back to DPS all the time, but SE seems against it.

[SonKevin]

We, damage dealers, are so tired of doing the same dungeons over, and over, and over, just for the sake of Tomestone of Esoterics, or whatever the current weekly capped tomestones are, that we just want to get it over with so we can move on to something else, that's possibly more fun.

Oh man, you DD's have it tough with being the only ones having to run the same dungeons over and over again for tomestones.

Here's the thing. A good tank may know what a good pull is. That doesn't mean a DPS does. A DPS who experienced expects fast and big pulls despite the party make-up being sub-par for speed runs. So what does the DPS do? He doesn't leave because he can't wait 1-2 hours for another queue, he decides he's gonna be the new tank to cause stress on the healer and the tank.

[KingOfAbyss]

Not really. "I can hold the group hostage so we're doing things my way" is not a good point, or something that should be encouraged.

I have a tank. Mained a tank in WoW and swtor. Tired of tanking. Don't wanna do it any more. So now I just don't get a vote?

Said it before and I'll say it again: it's because of threads like this that we get so many primadonna tanks that everyone complains about. If your advice to tanks is to be a primadonna, then you can't really complain about all the primadonna tanks running around.



Lol I've been tanking for years as well, and if you aren't lying about your experience then you know full well that everything you described is tanking101. If it's a "serious mess" then you're doing something wrong.

I read Skivvy's comments and nowhere do I see him saying Primadonna..

Keeping the group hostage is what I'm having a hard time to understand.

I pull, I keep aggro, we clear, we move on the next, rince and repeat, we move on the 1st, 2nd, 3rd boss, we win.. Where are the hostages in here?

And how come out of it, some TANKs gets the big head for doing this? it's not a special job, it's a job that has a specific role, just like healer and DPS. all Equal.

I really don't catch it.

[Suirieko]

Oh man, you DD's have it tough with being the only ones having to run the same dungeons over and over again for tomestones.

Here's the thing. A good tank may know what a good pull is. That doesn't mean a DPS does. A DPS who experienced expects fast and big pulls despite the party make-up being sub-par for speed runs. So what does the DPS do? He doesn't leave because he can't wait 1-2 hours for another queue, he decides he's gonna be the new tank to cause stress on the healer and the tank.

Well that's their choice, and certainly not how I work. As I said, a good tank knows how to act based on how much the party can handle. These days, 90% of the players at level 60, should be able to handle doing larger group of trash mobs, especially when you got a job in the party that can handle large groups very well. It's called being a team work.

And FYI, in my experience, I've had to wait 10 to 15 minutes, not over an hour for a new queue lol. But then again, I very rarely leave duties, and try to see it to completion. If it's going to be long and boring, I usually pop on netflix or crunchyroll and watch something as we proceed.

Also, as a tank, especially if you're going to do a lot of stuff (ESPECIALLY Alexander normal AND Savage) You *WILL* run into situations where you will have no choice but to grab a LOT of mobs. For example Alex floor 2 is waves after waves of group of trash mobs. Doesn't matter if it's savage or not.

[Evumeimei]

I'd rather have long queues than slow tanks. With long queues I can switch to play other game on other window, play my phone/Vita games, browse some social media, etc.

So, basically you want to rush FFXIV content so you can go do other stuff? You sure you actually like this game?

For anyone who complains about being bored of the same two dungeons... If you're so bored you can't accept doing a dungeon at a normal pace every now and then (don't try and tell me it happens every time), you should probably take a break.

[SonKevin]

Equal

Some classes are more equal than others.

[Malevicton]

Where are the hostages in here?.

P1: Let's do it X way.
P2: Let's do it Y way.
P1: No, we're doing it X way.
P2: But I wanna do Y way.
P1: If you try it I'll leave and ruin the group.

And how come out of it, some TANKs gets the big head for doing this? it's not a special job, it's a job that has a specific role, just like healer and DPS. all Equal.

Agreed. Which is what I've been saying. They're 1/4 of the group, and get as much say as everyone else. Others are saying that they should get more of a say just because they're tanks, which is primadonna behavior.