So votekick >abuse< is practically allowed?

[Hikoko]

To me this sounds like everything someone has to say is "(s)he had a different playstyle" when kicking for whatever reason.

People who join a duty as partly groups can kick whoever they want without a real danger of facing any kind of punishment.

You want that Syrcus Tower item, but the random player with the same class might need on it in case it drops? -> "Sorry, we dont like how you play" and kicked before the bossfight starts.


And just to clear things up, the reason I was kicked for had nothing to do with "different playstyles", the GM just put it in that category...

[MeiUshu]

vote kick ban shouldnt be allowed in any DF instances, only PTs should be allowed to ban and even them with the true reasons. Although I am against it as a tool de per se.

Mei

[HakuroDK]

Well that's kinda silly. How can one police a vote kick system if the rules on vote kicking aren't cut and dry? The rules should state "If you are kicked for a reason that does not fit with the option selected for why you were kicked, then that is a violation of our vote kick abuse policy and will be investigated."

I have only ever had to vote kick players for one of the first three options ever. Plenty of folks who have gone AFK in Labyrinth or ST, plenty of folks who go offline for more than 2-3 minutes, and at least one instance of being referred to by an array of derogatory slurs. Never really saw cheating anywhere in my travels, but I know it does exist.

If you are not being kicked due to being AFK, for going Offline, for harassment of another player, or for cheating, there is no reason that you should be kicked and the reason why you were actually kicked should be investigated. I mean, it sounds to me as though either the GM was either being lazy or they have a more stringent set of criteria for judging what is and is not an infringement of the vote kick system that we, the players, have not been told.

[Surian]

I have never in my life seen or heard of this being acted upon, ever. Infact, a lot of reportings dont even get acted upon.

From people flatout being kicked in ST because they mentioned the drops they wanted to have at the start of the run, and someone else who was there with friends wanted the same piece, up to someone messing up, blaming person X who had nothing to do with it, and the majority vote just going through.

Heck, unrelated, but had someone be a dick and interrupt my teleport with /trade for a good 5 minutes while i was trying to go somewhere, and even after reporting them they were still happily strolling along the entire day, week, month and nothign ever got done about it.

The only thing i've ever seen a GM do ingame is tell you that they cant help you in an automated response and tell you to contact someone else about it on the website.

[HakuroDK]

The majority of the group doesn't want you there.

Get over it.

If I had a nickel every time I heard someone say those three words as if they were some kind of miracle cure to a situation. Spoiler Alert: Complacency does nothing, and asking someone to be complacent in the face of a blatant abuse of this or any system just makes you sound like an asshole.

It's less about the "what" and more about the "why". WHY did they not want her there? Is it because she went AFK? Is it because she went Offline? Is it because she was harassing other players? Is it because she was cheating? If the answer was "Yes" to any of those last four questions, then the players would, in fact, be justified in kicking her. But if that was not the case, then abuse of the system was involved. Plain and simple.

[Gilthas]

vote kick ban shouldnt be allowed in any DF instances, only PTs should be allowed to ban and even them with the true reasons. Although I am against it as a tool de per se.

Mei

Really?

Last night in Syrcus Tower we had one guy that went immediately afk as soon as we entered and another two that went afk during the first boss fight (one was sitting at the edge of the arena, the other was auto-running against a wall).

[BobbinT]

There's also a typo on that GM respond:

"categorisation"? lol

Also, mind posting that last message GM mentioned on that reply? Omitting player names ofc.

[Bebekurenai]

I don't understand SE's position regarding the vote-kick system and its abuse either. If you kick someone for a reason not reflected in their options (afk, offline, harrassment) it should be against the ToS and punishable. All this "we don't interfere with players disputes and you can use the function if you disagree with others playstyle" is absoute rubbish and creates the comunity we have now, with no effort or respect. This is an online game, we play with others, we have to respect others playstyle just as they respect us, but there's a limit.I rarely kick people, and certainly not because I dislike how they play. They have a reason for that just as I have mine for how I play. But if I have an RMT-like player, who doesn't read the party chat, goes aimless through the dungeon and causes deaths and won't take advices, then yes, I will vote kick, but after talking to the party and if the rest agrees too. Sadly the option I have to choose is "harrassment", since there is no option for cheating or lack of team play.

I got kicked the other day for the first time in my game time. I was blm, joined an expert roulette and Tamtara HM popped, with a brd, sch and pld. The brd was new so between me and the sch we explained the bosses. We cleared the first one after one wipe (the brd shot the adds but learned not to next time) and we keep going to the rooms where the multiface mob pops from the coffin. The tank stands in the center of the room waiting, the sch at the door, the brd wouldn't know what was gonna happen, so I thought I might aswell open the coffin. Knowing the healers sometimes open it to avoid the tank getting terror, I thought why not the blm. So I opened it, the tank pulled the mob, we killed, moved on to the next one. The next one has 2 adds with it, so I did the same, but the tank didn't get the adds so I stood next to him so he could flash/whatever, but the main mob casted paralyze3 and I could not get out of range. We all got paralyzed and I noticed the sch trying to cast ruin and getting interrupted all the time, and wondered why he wouldn't leeches himself. After a while it wore off and we killed. I said in party "No leeches? :/" and the sch goes "don't stand so close, I didn't pay attention". Moving on to the next coffin, I pop and adds come out again, I stay next to the tank, same as before blabla, got paralyzed again, rest of the party was fine, they killed and moved on, the sch ahead and I'm still standing there paralyzed with 20 seconds and can't even walk. I say in party "are you serious" and next thing I see is the screen going black and I repop in Mor Dhona, "you have been expelled from the party and the duty". I send a report with the names of all of them describing what happened, and the answer I get was basicly that they didn't do anything against the ToS, and SE doesn't interfere with players disputes.

So this leaves me with the impresssion I should not contribute or help the party, let someone else pop the coffin, I just dps and let the others work. If someone doesn't play the job as I see fit and doesn't use leeches/esuna/flash when needed, I will shut up, and if I feel like it I will votekick the ones I dislike, cause aparently that's how we roll now, no?

[MeiUshu]

@Babekurenai, it saddens me to hear of this and saddens me even more to say waht I am going to say...yes unfortunately, the non-reaction of GMs and altogether SE to address this issue that is really a big issue against their own ToS as it infringes with my time and doesnt allow me or youfor this matter to play the game as intended is creating a sort of new generation of players that wont have any kind of consideration for the rest because the rest had none for them..for a game that is or should be a comunity game is sure doesnt help to create a healthy community.

And people wonder why I mostly play on my own..lol...

Mei

[Gilthas]

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Yes, you were kicked unfairly, but it's hard for SE (or anyone really) to put rules in the game against stupidity.