Summoners Overpowered in PvP

[PotatoTree]

Blm can win hands down...

I'm gonna need to see a BLM and SMN wolves den duel, although wolves den is kinda different with all the obstacles. It would be hard to set up any other full buff 1v1 though, maybe a 8v8v8 secure you can find a corner to duel in. I really can't see how BLM would win against a equally good SMN, even with double sleep manawall. The SMN literally just has to place the pet between himself and the BLM, rouse/spur/knockback+enkindle and you are already ahead and stopped the BLM for one GCD. Plus remember that the SMN has several Energy Drains, which heals back a boatload. Against a SMN 1v1, these heals add up because the longer the SMN is alive, the more the pet gives the SMN free damage.

[TiaHariberux3]

The SMN literally just has to place the pet between himself and the BLM, rouse/spur/knockback+enkindle and you are already ahead and stopped the BLM for one GCD. Plus remember that the SMN has several Energy Drains, which heals back a boatload. Against a SMN 1v1, these heals add up because the longer the SMN is alive, the more the pet gives the SMN free damage.

Energy Drain heals arent noticable in wolves den also it would reduce ur burst damage if u spam more energy drain for the sake of healing. 1vs1 a blm would win against a smn most of the time (if played good ). I dont know if placing a pet between works....their dmg is low after using af stacks so you wont kill anyone in wd in the next minute. Dont forget purify etc aka counter a smn is way easier in wd than in 72 clusterfu. In my opinion mch will be the best ranged dps in wd anyways

[PotatoTree]

Are we talking about lvl 50 wolves den or a hypothetical lvl 60 1v1 btw? Are the walls/obstacles or just flat land like in seize? Does both jobs start with stoneskin+protect or no? Also energy drain is hella good, especially in a 1v1.

I can do a very mean burst as a BLM 1v1 on lvl 60, but if the SMN doesn't die (hp build, energy drain, knockback) then it's still a loss as after the burst they will easily whittle the BLM down.

Edit: forgot that BLM can't even virus a SMN, while the SMN can virus the BLM.

[kisada]

Are we talking about lvl 50 wolves den or a hypothetical lvl 60 1v1 btw? Are the walls/obstacles or just flat land like in seize? Does both jobs start with stoneskin+protect or no? Also energy drain is hella good, especially in a 1v1.

I can do a very mean burst as a BLM 1v1 on lvl 60, but if the SMN doesn't die (hp build, energy drain, knockback) then it's still a loss as after the burst they will easily whittle the BLM down.

Edit: forgot that BLM can't even virus a SMN, while the SMN can virus the BLM.

^has it right

fwiw in slaughter as a blm, smns were among my favorite targets. in seize as smn, blms are among my favorite targets. at 60 a smn has too many distinct advantages and it's not really even close.