Summoners Overpowered in PvP

[Mclyde]

They are distance damage dealer, it's already something. They have plenty of tool to damage while moving. And they have, yu said it, a pet (very annoying for healers if you know how to control him).

Black mage are strong too but need some prepa to be able to burst someone down and need to cast. Archer are completely devoid of any protection skill (contrary to ninja or Black mage) and their stronger shot can't make critical hit and requests that casting stance be activated. If i make my full rotation without interruption as a archer, it won't kill a mage even if some of my blow are critical. And to do that i have to be almost motionless and not attacked.
It's still enjoyable to play in pvp. So i don't see why summoner could not be nerf a little.

[Tarta]

Hey don't wanna read 7 pages of "debate" but did anyone compare BLM vs. SMN yet? (the 2 casters).

In defense, SMN beats BLM as their defense is stupid powerful offense. I mean, yeah you can soak a big hit or 2 as BLM, but that doesn't stop anyone from continuously killing you. As a SMN, you take the big hit or 2, still at half life and opponent at 1/4 health. In PvP that means your opponent will try and back off to his healers (likely pushing SMN to hit the dude further, ergo killing him, and being left with half health).
I'm biaised as I play BLM, but I admit to focusing the other BLM as they are so killable: as long as I started casting faster, opponent BLM gets interrupted by my spells. He's stuck in my rhythm and I win. It's a fight of who starts shooting first or who hides and runs away.
If I focus a SMN and they focus me back, I gotta back down.
In fact I gotta back down from everything really. I gotta back down from WAR, PLD, DRK, DRG, BRD, NIN, MNK, MCH, SMN, SCH (they also do me in eventually, and I don't got the offense to kill em), WHM/AST (unless I'm tag teaming with others, otherwise, wasting my time), and of course also gotta back down from other BLM if they started shooting first.

We can resort to Scathe, to break other BLM rhythm, but...it really becomes a silly willy fight just scathing back and forth until another player comes in and kill either of us.

Don't get me started with pets from SMN/MCH; interrupt city. I can't do anything if a pet is focused on me. I have to run away out of range and hope SMN is noob and pet disappears, to go back to fighting, otherwise I can't do nothing but scathe.

So yes; SMN is really really powerful in PvP right now.
We BLM had our powerful time at 50 frontlines due to middle where we would just focus turret and win, but that's not longer the case with Seal Rock.

[Renault]

They aren't OP, they just destroy bad players.

[PotatoTree]

Hey don't wanna read 7 pages of "debate" but did anyone compare BLM vs. SMN yet? (the 2 casters).

I think BLM lost their edge when the swiftcast nerf made swift->Flare obsolete. They need to bring that back or else BLM cannot compare to SMN. That being said, a BLM should be able to survive a SMN burst and run away to live another day, but they'll have no hope in actually killing a SMN if both are equally skilled and have all buffs up.

[Stupiduglytaru]

I think BLM lost their edge when the swiftcast nerf made swift->Flare obsolete. They need to bring that back or else BLM cannot compare to SMN. That being said, a BLM should be able to survive a SMN burst and run away to live another day, but they'll have no hope in actually killing a SMN if both are equally skilled and have all buffs up.

Blm can win hands down

2 x insta sleep
Manawall

I recently made the switch from smn to blm, I have always said blm is so much stronger than smn.

When I used to go smn, 12+ kills every game with a high average of 15+, 27/0 was my highest.

After 2 days of blm I've already started to improve, been able to hit a few 15+ games.

Smn is just the ultimate noob/kill stealer which is completely negated by a single heal..

Blm however burst is constant through fire IV firestarter procs and thundercloud procs

In games in which healing has been pretty good my smn friend has struggled to land kills meanwhile I have no problem.

[Sanguisio]

SMNs have burst, which is negated by a healer who is on their toes.

Aside from TD, they do not have any CC where as the other jobs do.

If you live through the SMN burst, you can safely proceed to rush them as they will have to rely on ruin until the next set of AF is up.

SMNs do not need a nerf, people need to learn how to handle them

[kisada]

if i let a blm kill me 1v1 i'd be straight up embarrassed.

[TiaHeart]

Just seeing the walls of egis and wars on the frontline (total of 10+/24?) tells enough. The fact that blm isnt all shabby doesnt help the healthy mix of physical rangeds and melees either. Op? Guess if you don't want to get jumped on say "no". Boring? A little . GCs spamming others for job stacking, hip hip hooray

[PotatoTree]

Blm can win hands down...

I'm gonna need to see a BLM and SMN wolves den duel, although wolves den is kinda different with all the obstacles. It would be hard to set up any other full buff 1v1 though, maybe a 8v8v8 secure you can find a corner to duel in. I really can't see how BLM would win against a equally good SMN, even with double sleep manawall. The SMN literally just has to place the pet between himself and the BLM, rouse/spur/knockback+enkindle and you are already ahead and stopped the BLM for one GCD. Plus remember that the SMN has several Energy Drains, which heals back a boatload. Against a SMN 1v1, these heals add up because the longer the SMN is alive, the more the pet gives the SMN free damage.

[TiaHariberux3]

The SMN literally just has to place the pet between himself and the BLM, rouse/spur/knockback+enkindle and you are already ahead and stopped the BLM for one GCD. Plus remember that the SMN has several Energy Drains, which heals back a boatload. Against a SMN 1v1, these heals add up because the longer the SMN is alive, the more the pet gives the SMN free damage.

Energy Drain heals arent noticable in wolves den also it would reduce ur burst damage if u spam more energy drain for the sake of healing. 1vs1 a blm would win against a smn most of the time (if played good ). I dont know if placing a pet between works....their dmg is low after using af stacks so you wont kill anyone in wd in the next minute. Dont forget purify etc aka counter a smn is way easier in wd than in 72 clusterfu. In my opinion mch will be the best ranged dps in wd anyways