The Real Problem with Parsers

[Aiselia]

This statement goes 2 ways, and then becomes a matter of math, what is more selfish wasting 1 persons time or wasting 4 peoples time (they are wasting their own time too) by not putting in any effort.

Let's correct your math with a fuller situation in the context of my statement.

Which is more selfish? Wasting potentially half an hour of one person's time by negating their queue and making them wait again (if they even bother) or "wasting" an extra 10 minutes of time?

I could go into more hypothetical stretches by putting forward the situation that the person getting kicked only has an hour or two to play each day due to commitments in real life, which means that losing a half hour queue could either severely limit what else they can do (in the case of a couple hours, a lengthy queue plus the dungeon itself could end up being up to half of their play time) or completely negate them doing anything that day (in the case of one hour, a length queue plus the dungeon IS their day).

Since HW I have yet to wait more than 15 minutes as a dps

Whereas I've waited over that several times depending on the dungeon, as well as I know that other people have too. I suppose it depends on what you queue for.

multiply that by 4 people

Why would you multiply it by the number of people? If a run takes 30 minutes to complete instead of 20 minutes, it didn't take 60 minutes to complete. Each person lost 10 minutes, not 40.

Should you still not kick him?

AFK is a reason in the vote kick options.

Also, since you apparently missed/intentionally ignored this:

People don't argue against parsers because people who auto-attack may get kicked. They argue against parsers because people who may be doing what they think is right may get kicked because some random person arbitrarily decides it's not good enough for them.

Then why are you arguing against parsers?

I'm not. I'm stating SE's viewpoint and why the current arguments don't do anything to defeat that viewpoint, but rather the opposite. The more people who make personal attacks while talking about parsers and say they need them to kick people who might waste 10 minutes of their precious time, the more reason SE has to expect the community can't handle them.

That was an experiment the guy did, after (very likely) having already noticed the exact behavior he showed off in the video many times over.

Which means what to the 10 years of complaints of elitism from the game?

That's the thing you have to be careful about when trying to present someone presenting their personal experience compared to the whole of everyone's experience. In the 10 years that game has been going, how many runs have been completed? Now how many were in the video? I mean, I'm sure it wouldn't be much of a stretch to say that literally millions of dungeon runs are done each year in that game. That video couldn't possibly contain even one millionth of the runs completed in the game's span. This is also operating under the assumption that every time he tried it, he got away with it, and that he isn't just choosing to not show you anything where he did get kicked.

In my experience, as long as the content is actually getting cleared, most people won't care about your DPS. And by most, I mean more than 99%.

So if we're using a handful of runs as proof of something, if I go into, say, 5 dungeon runs and only auto-attack and get kicked from each one, is that proof that this game is more toxic than WoW, where someone did a handful of runs and didn't get kicked?