The Real Problem with Parsers

[Hinalover]

First of all I am part of the "A FORM of Parser" side of the argument. Meaning I approve parser use for personal/FC usage, but not so much of "this is your dps in a random 4-man and should be kicked" side of things.

Parsers are good at evaluating who is under-performing, either intentional, or unintentional. But it could be used for good. Such as figuring out mechanics that you just wiped to and are unsure as to what happened. Or you see another player doing more dps than you are with the same job/gear. Maybe they adjusted their rotation just a bit to eek out a bit more dps. It could also help with who was out of position by using a certain site's combat replay feature.

Do people Fear Monger parses saying X job is under performing....yes unfortunately. But they sometimes forget that people can abuse parses. Look at Summoners abusing the parsing meters on Faust. They may show as being high on the dps meters but they are also intentionally cleaving onto the adds.

[Butcherboy]

Weren't yoshi mention something like a dummy giving u parse number being implemented?

[GodIsALoli]

The easiest way to circumvent the DF problem of people getting kicked from the official parser would be to only show the breakdown of the parse results after a dungeon/raid is cleared. Simple. People can simply leave at the end before they harassed for their extremely sub-par dps (E.g. 700 and below dps at i190).

This wouldn't solve the initial problems of people getting kicked from DF by people using the unofficial parsers still. The way to solve this problem? As Yoshida once said, "Git Gud".

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

The easiest way to circumvent the DF problem of people getting kicked from the official parser would be to only show the breakdown of the parse results after a dungeon/raid is cleared. Simple. People can simply leave at the end before they harassed for their extremely sub-par dps (E.g. 700 and below dps at i190).

This wouldn't solve the initial problems of people getting kicked from DF by people using the unofficial parsers still. The way to solve this problem? As Yoshida once said, "Git Gud".

So what if the group can't clear said dungeon/raid? :P

[Astral145]

What the devs should implement instead is an individual parser meaning you cant see other players parsers which I agree with. DCUO (F2P btw) finally implemented an individual parser a few months ago.

Link to the parser with lots of detail on how to customize it...ect https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMp9mD2bOlk

Quick view with paser on multiple dummys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNEv4aVwPSQ

What the DCUO devs did was use the chat battle log to calculate all your damage done in a set time then show you your Damage Per Second, crit %'s, highest hit and total damage done in a set amount of time. The best part was you could set the time you want to see your current parser like every 30 secs, 60 secs or when you stopped doing battle. This allowed each individual to set goals like perfecting your opener and see how you were contributing to the fight.. You can even use this on a dummy to test out new load outs and rotations.

By using the chat battle log as a parser allowed the devs to implement this to all platforms ps3, ps4, pc...ect. PS3 and PS4 players did not suffer through any issues regarding this type of parser on DCUO so there is no reason as to why the FFXIV devs couldn't implement this into FFXIVI haven't heard of any negative feed backs on the DCUO forums regarding the new parsers. All I read were praises and how thankful the community was for what the devs did.

[Viridiana]

By using the chat battle log as a parser allowed the devs to implement this to all platforms ps3, ps4, pc...ect. PS3 and PS4 players did not suffer through any issues regarding this type of parser on DCUO so there is no reason as to why the FFXIV devs couldn't implement this into FFXIVI haven't heard of any negative feed backs on the DCUO forums regarding the new parsers. All I read were praises and how thankful the community was for what the devs did.

Except that the FFXIV combat log is garbage. So their first step would be having to fix that (which should have been a first step back in...oh, ARR Beta?).

[Butcherboy]

So this would work and I like this, but chat box doesn't recognize DOTs tho but I'm sure the debs can work around that. But yeah YOSHI I hope your reading this.

[sackm]

personal parser numbers mean nothing in a vacuum. The baddies in this game will look at that number and think cool im doing great. What I'd like to see is a scoreboard at the end of EVERY instance (dungeon/trial/raid) just like in PvP that shows damage dealt, healing numbers, etc. Maybe when people see their PLD outdpsing them they'll actually think about what they are doing with their abilities.

[RapBreon]

personal parser numbers mean nothing in a vacuum. The baddies in this game will look at that number and think cool im doing great. What I'd like to see is a scoreboard at the end of EVERY instance (dungeon/trial/raid) just like in PvP that shows damage dealt, healing numbers, etc. Maybe when people see their PLD outdpsing them they'll actually think about what they are doing with their abilities.

Hahahhaha, nah. They'll come to the forum and complain about class imbalance. Hue-hue-hue!

[Aiselia]

personal parser numbers mean nothing in a vacuum.

Public parser numbers mean nothing without context. If a MNK is pulling 800 with gear that allows for 1200 and a DRG is pulling 700 with the MNK being top, they're not going to think "Oh, I'm not doing 1200, I should pick up the pace," without knowing that with their gear, they could be doing 1200. They're going to think "Oh hey, I'm beating the DRG, I'm top DPS. I kick ass."

If a BRD is pulling 600 compared to a DRG pulling 800, even if they're both underperforming for their gear, why couldn't the BRD just shrug it off and say it's due to BRD just naturally being lower? They'd have to know they could do higher in order to even think they should try. Conversely, the DRG could look at that and go "Wow, I kicked the crap out of the BRD, I'm awesome."

But let's face it, if someone's being out DPSed by a PLD, do you really think they're the type of person to even care about a scoreboard at the end?