More Horizontal Progression please

[Nadirah]

You forget that EQ and FFXI also had the problem of *having* to put that many hours in it or you couldn't get anywhere or do anything.

I once dated a guy that played EQ1 in high school.

Court *took his computer away* because he refused to go to school, because otherwise he'd fall behind from his raid group.

You *had* to spend those long hours.

People don't have time for that and when they have a feeling of "well shit, I'm not getting anything done", the quit.

I have a lot of fun farming drops if they make me powerful. A lot of people do, that is why they like Diablo style of games, it just used to be a concept for MMOs as well.

Diablo 3(and to an extent 2) don't have complete shit drop rates, and D3 I can go buy items for any given slot from the blood shard merchant.

you're farming for ideal stats there, not the drop itself.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

You forget that EQ and FFXI also had the problem of *having* to put that many hours in it or you couldn't get anywhere or do anything.

I once dated a guy that played EQ1 in high school.

Court *took his computer away* because he refused to go to school, because otherwise he'd fall behind from his raid group.

You *had* to spend those long hours.

People don't have time for that and when they have a feeling of "well shit, I'm not getting anything done", the quit.

Wrong for EQ, you could powerlevel and have high levels help you in EQ. As long as you had friends or were nice to people you could ask for help. EQ had one of the most helpful communities in the MMO industry. Honestly, it also had some of the worst trolls too, however people expected it. They treated it more like a virtual world then a game. Your voice and opinion mattered and if you did troll and disrespect other players nobody liked or helped you. These days with dungeon finder and all that reputation means ::[[LOL]]::.

Raiders are all like that though, but raiding in EQ with 72 man raids was something else. You literally had to take *shifts* in your raid force because there were large lockouts and the zones took 3-4 days to clear.

[Nadirah]

Raiders are all like that though, but raiding in EQ with 72 man raids was something else. You literally had to take *shifts* in your raid force because there were large lockouts and the zones took 3-4 days to clear.

And this is good for players how?

Seriouisly. Do you have any idea how effing stupid that even sounds? if you had to do that kind of stuff for RL jobs, your boss would be fired here in the US for running a sweatshop.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

And this is good for players how?

Seriouisly. Do you have any idea how effing stupid that even sounds? if you had to do that kind of stuff for RL jobs, your boss would be fired here in the US for running a sweatshop.

It doesn't sound right to me at all. I thought it was stupid. Developers did too is why they remade them to be 24 man raids and not take as long. =P However, everything else in that game. (sides OLD raiding.) was perfect. Pretty much perfect honestly.

I liked SWG a lot better with its multi-class multi-gear component, base component, sub-component, randomized loot, randomized resource randomized mission system.

Being able to make a house and place it anywhere and being able to make your own city and become mayor. No instances all open world.

[Gralna]

And this is good for players how?

Seriouisly. Do you have any idea how effing stupid that even sounds? if you had to do that kind of stuff for RL jobs, your boss would be fired here in the US for running a sweatshop.

Um, that's how all 24 hour stores work, and also most construction jobs that need be finished ASAP, people work their shifts, then get some rest, and come back for their next shift.

Only reason those super large scale, 8+ hour raids are no longer the norm, is the bad press SE got when a raid to take down a boss took over 18 hours and people started getting sick.

I however, do miss those large scale raids, where it took you the whole evening to finish it. Now it's just 8 hours bashing your head against the wall on the same boss, to get 1/2 a phase closer to the kill.

[Nadirah]

Um, that's how all 24 hour stores work, and also most construction jobs that need be finished ASAP, people work their shifts, then get some rest, and come back for their next shift.

Only reason those super large scale, 8+ hour raids are no longer the norm, is the bad press SE got when a raid to take down a boss took over 18 hours and people started getting sick.

I however, do miss those large scale raids, where it took you the whole evening to finish it. Now it's just 8 hours bashing your head against the wall on the same boss, to get 1/2 a phase closer to the kill.

No, that's not how 24 hour stores work.

Your boss doesn't call you at 4 am to get your ass online to kill that boss.

That's how they kept people coming back, as there was really no other reason to keep playing the game once you'd gotten the best gear.

And this is the summary of that.

The only thing there was the gear chase. That's the only thing that kept it relevant.

[midnitdragoon]

You forget that EQ and FFXI also had the problem of *having* to put that many hours in it or you couldn't get anywhere or do anything.

I once dated a guy that played EQ1 in high school.

Court *took his computer away* because he refused to go to school, because otherwise he'd fall behind from his raid group.

You *had* to spend those long hours.

People don't have time for that and when they have a feeling of "well shit, I'm not getting anything done", the quit.

Thats really hardcore, prolly the reason why they put that message before you play ff11 each time you start up.

[Evtrai]

Thats really hardcore, prolly the reason why they put that message before you play ff11 each time you start up.

Lol not really, it depends on each individual person when they let something become an addiction, when I played FFXI I only played on weekends because that's the only time my parents allowed me to play games, but yeah, just because I enjoy drinking a beer on a ocasion doesn't mean I'm gonna turn into a raging alcoholic.