More Horizontal Progression please

[Gralna]

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Oh how I miss the days of using a template builder to figure out what the best possible pieces I could use to get stats I wanted, around a couple of pieces of gear I really wanted. Then spending months trying to farm all of them, and I'd usually get to run around for a few weeks or at most a couple of months in that gear, then they'd add more gear, potentially with gear that would fit just slightly better for my template... so I'd recalculate again, farm again.

Difference is that each update, I didn't have to refarm my entire set, I had pieces from vanilla that I was still using in endgame.

[LunaHoshino]

People keep using this argument but then why are the more horizontal (non-pvp based mmos) the longest living mmos out there still.

Because people are gullible. It's very, very easy to convince yourself that if you just keep playing, you're sure to get your drop tomorrow or the next day-- and see? That guy over there got his, so surely you'll be next. And you can keep telling yourself that for months on end because the drop rate is just high enough that you can see other people getting what they want.

You get so focused on that that you don't even realize that you're no longer having any fun, because you keep telling yourself that it will be fun again once you finally get your drop. That's why people stick around in those games.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Because people are gullible. It's very, very easy to convince yourself that if you just keep playing, you're sure to get your drop tomorrow or the next day-- and see? That guy over there got his, so surely you'll be next. And you can keep telling yourself that for months on end because the drop rate is just high enough that you can see other people getting what they want.

You get so focused on that that you don't even realize that you're no longer having any fun, because you keep telling yourself that it will be fun again once you finally get your drop. That's why people stick around in those games.

That's pretty much how I played Lineage 2. Tried to go back a few months ago and just quit immediately lol

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Because people are gullible. It's very, very easy to convince yourself that if you just keep playing, you're sure to get your drop tomorrow or the next day-- and see? That guy over there got his, so surely you'll be next. And you can keep telling yourself that for months on end because the drop rate is just high enough that you can see other people getting what they want.

You get so focused on that that you don't even realize that you're no longer having any fun, because you keep telling yourself that it will be fun again once you finally get your drop. That's why people stick around in those games.

I have a lot of fun farming drops if they make me powerful. A lot of people do, that is why they like Diablo style of games, it just used to be a concept for MMOs as well.

[Xatsh]

Because people are gullible. It's very, very easy to convince yourself that if you just keep playing, you're sure to get your drop tomorrow or the next day-- and see? That guy over there got his, so surely you'll be next. And you can keep telling yourself that for months on end because the drop rate is just high enough that you can see other people getting what they want.

You get so focused on that that you don't even realize that you're no longer having any fun, because you keep telling yourself that it will be fun again once you finally get your drop. That's why people stick around in those games.

I will take farming sky or seas over alexander savage any day of the week.

It is not being gullable it is actually enjoying content that is not designed to be throw away or bash your head against the wall for 500hrs to clear it.

I do not understand how anyone can enjoy raiding (if you can even call it that) in XIV. Oh BOY I can't wait to get on to spend 4hrs tonight getting 1/2 more of a phase into the 9 phase boss.... WoW such fun........................

Oh and did I mention after the 300-500 hrs spent... your gear it worthless in probably 2-4 months after you get it. So enjoy wasting all your time on "Vanity gear" in the end. But do not worry in the next even patch you can bash your head against the wall all over for new gear... that is the same Garbage with a few more stats on it.

SUCH FUN!

Who are the gullible ones... The people who are trying to get gear that will permanently better your character. OR People who are getting gear that is vendored in 3 months while spending = amounts of time getting said gear.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

I will take farming sky or seas over alexander savage any day of the week.

It is not being gullable it is actually enjoying content that is not designed to be throw away or bash your head against the wall for 500hrs to clear it.

I do not understand how anyone can enjoy raiding (if you can even call it that) in XIV. Oh BOY I can't wait to get on to spend 4hrs tonight getting 1/2 more of a phase into the 9 phase boss.... WoW such fun........................

Oh and did I mention after the 300-500 hrs spent... your gear it worthless in probably 2-4 months after you get it. So enjoy wasting all your time on "Vanity gear" in the end. But do not worry in the next even patch you can bash your head against the wall all over for new gear... that is the same Garbage with a few more stats on it.

SUCH FUN!

Who are the gullible ones... The people who are trying to get gear that will permanently better your character. OR People who are getting gear that is vendored in 3 months while spending = amounts of time getting said gear.

Not to mention fighting one boss the same way that never changes over/over can be mentally exhausting. Its like a Job, except you pay them instead of getting payed. Lol.

[Alahra]

I'd like to see some more sets of gear at the maximum item level, at least. Give us a third or fourth set of 210 gear with varying secondaries, there are more options both for optimization and for glamours. The reason horizontal progression isn't that popular anymore compared to vertical is that vertical is much better at keeping people subscribing (or at least, it seems to be in the post-WoW MMO field).

[Almalexia]

Right now I don't see the game lasting for more than 2 years if it stays on course.

Release date(s) Microsoft Windows August 27, 2013

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[Nadirah]

You forget that EQ and FFXI also had the problem of *having* to put that many hours in it or you couldn't get anywhere or do anything.

I once dated a guy that played EQ1 in high school.

Court *took his computer away* because he refused to go to school, because otherwise he'd fall behind from his raid group.

You *had* to spend those long hours.

People don't have time for that and when they have a feeling of "well shit, I'm not getting anything done", the quit.

I have a lot of fun farming drops if they make me powerful. A lot of people do, that is why they like Diablo style of games, it just used to be a concept for MMOs as well.

Diablo 3(and to an extent 2) don't have complete shit drop rates, and D3 I can go buy items for any given slot from the blood shard merchant.

you're farming for ideal stats there, not the drop itself.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

You forget that EQ and FFXI also had the problem of *having* to put that many hours in it or you couldn't get anywhere or do anything.

I once dated a guy that played EQ1 in high school.

Court *took his computer away* because he refused to go to school, because otherwise he'd fall behind from his raid group.

You *had* to spend those long hours.

People don't have time for that and when they have a feeling of "well shit, I'm not getting anything done", the quit.

Wrong for EQ, you could powerlevel and have high levels help you in EQ. As long as you had friends or were nice to people you could ask for help. EQ had one of the most helpful communities in the MMO industry. Honestly, it also had some of the worst trolls too, however people expected it. They treated it more like a virtual world then a game. Your voice and opinion mattered and if you did troll and disrespect other players nobody liked or helped you. These days with dungeon finder and all that reputation means ::[[LOL]]::.

Raiders are all like that though, but raiding in EQ with 72 man raids was something else. You literally had to take *shifts* in your raid force because there were large lockouts and the zones took 3-4 days to clear.