Parsers and Problems

[Verius_Nox]

this is actually a pretty interesting thought! Do you think the cultures evolved differently because of the 'official' response from the Devs, in one case one effectively banning it (meaning that people could hide behind it) vs. the other case where it was publicly allowed (meaning that people embraced it within the community.)


If we ever do get a parse from SE, do you think it will be embraced or do you think it will create people who make PF's saying "No parses allowed"? Do you think there will be a negative reaction to its presence?

Before anyone counters that players will leave en-masse if a Parse is introduced, do keep in mind that many successful MMO's have had the presence of parses without issue. I don't think a large portion of the playerbase will be affected or will act upon it.

There will be crying for a good month or so, but it'll end up dying down as people grow to accept it or move on.

[Elim]

If we ever do get a parse from SE, do you think it will be embraced or do you think it will create people who make PF's saying "No parses allowed"? Do you think there will be a negative reaction to its presence?

Before anyone counters that players will leave en-masse if a Parse is introduced, do keep in mind that many successful MMO's have had the presence of parses without issue. I don't think a large portion of the playerbase will be affected or will act upon it.

If parsers were suddenly allowed in FF14, I think some DPS would put up a fuss at the start because, as I said, they've been coddled. There would be "I'm going to quit!" and "re-ban parsers!" threads for the first maybe six months. They'd all get use to it eventually(or quit and come back once they realized every other MMO allows them...).

[CGMidlander]

Help like how kick people? They paid their subscription and is allowed to fight that fight, he got into the fight because the requirements were met.

Paying a subscription doesn't entitle a person to be disruptive to the rest of the group. (All of whom also pay subscriptions, mind you.)
The subscription is an entry fee, like a ticket to an amusement park, not a VIP free beer princess-for-a-day pass.

The "I pay a subscription so I can do whatever I want" mentality is absurd.

[Elazu]

If we ever do get a parse from SE, do you think it will be embraced or do you think it will create people who make PF's saying "No parses allowed"? Do you think there will be a negative reaction to its presence?

People who do good will welcome parsers with open arms, people who can't be bothered to not be a burden to the party will cry on the forums for a few months.

[Kaurie]

this is actually a pretty interesting thought! Do you think the cultures evolved differently because of the 'official' response from the Devs, in one case one effectively banning it (meaning that people could hide behind it) vs. the other case where it was publicly allowed (meaning that people embraced it within the community.)

If we ever do get a parse from SE, do you think it will be embraced or do you think it will create people who make PF's saying "No parses allowed"? Do you think there will be a negative reaction to its presence?

Before anyone counters that players will leave en-masse if a Parse is introduced, do keep in mind that many successful MMO's have had the presence of parses without issue. I don't think a large portion of the playerbase will be affected or will act upon it.

There may be "No parses allowed" PF's, but PF isn't really a huge aspect of the game. I think most people play with their FC or with DF. I only say this based off experience, but I see maybe 2-10 PF's up at once, the majority are Fate parties, 1-3 are usually random, 1-3 are often unsynced clears and then there may be 1 or 2 BisEX/RavEX or Savage clear/farms. I have to imagine there is more going on than PF suggests.

Regardless, adding in messages like that to PF allows you to be paired up with people with similar playstyles. People who hate parses will join the "No parsing allowed" and people who want it will join the other parties. NBD.

I honestly don't see the problem.

The only argument that holds any weight is that people with toxic attitudes will now have evidence that they can put forth to back up their toxic claims. Instead of "Wow BLM you suck" people can say "Wow BLM, your DPS is less than the PLD's, you suck". I mean, whatever really. They're still there. Why not add parses for the thousands of players that aren't like that and that would benefit from them?

[KaijinRhada]

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As with any change, there will be vehement opposition from part of the community while another part vehemently defends its inclusion. Overall, I doubt it will be a big deal a couple months after that. DPS really only matters for end game, not for leveling (wherein it becomes an advantage/perk), so whether people want to make groups that disallows parsing is up to players, but I don't think it will be prevalent (I'm of the mindset that meters offers more advantages than disadvantages). The introduction of a meter has never really spelled doom for any game in the past; a community adjusts with change and moves forward.

[Hayward]

People who do good will welcome parsers with open arms, people who can't be bothered to not be a burden to the party will cry on the forums for a few months.

How about adding a third group: People who do well enough to clear content but don't care for know-it-alls putting their 2 gil where it isn't requested. Or does that wreck your binary talking point too badly?

[Sapphic]

Instead of "Wow BLM you suck" people can say "Wow BLM, your DPS is less than the PLD's, you suck".

Whereas that is the wrong way to tell someone, it's still true. Like doing expert on DF and the BRD was doing sub 300 DPS on the bosses. Like really? And they had wanderers active also.A parser would pretty much tell them they have to improve and look at their gameplay.

If players have the misconception they are playing adequetly and cannot see that the rest of the party is, by all intents and purposes carrying them through content they will have the notion that they do not need to improve whatsoever. A parser will make em see with absolute proof that they need to. Wouldn't you prefer to go into Ex primals in duty finder with the confidence that the rest of the party actually play their job to a decent standard? I know I would and might actually use DF for harder content if that happens.

Another argument is players pay so they can play how they want. Yet that allowance is not given for tanks and healers, because if tanks and healers play to the same level as those who make that argument then those same players would complain.

[Zeonx]

Paying a subscription doesn't entitle a person to be disruptive to the rest of the group. (All of whom also pay subscriptions, mind you.)
The subscription is an entry fee, like a ticket to an amusement park, not a VIP free beer princess-for-a-day pass.

The "I pay a subscription so I can do whatever I want" mentality is absurd.

I can say the same to you, it doesn't entitle you to use a parser to judge people just for low dps.

that's why SE doesn't want to give it to you, what you are saying right now is the point I am making, you think you are entitled but not others.

What makes you better or anyone for that matter than someone else?

What is a subscription for to play the game, having low DPS is not disrupting you as a player, the only reason you know this is because of your parser, if you didn't have it, you wouldn't know thus you can't put the blame on anyone and that's exactly what im pointing out.

Exactly the reason I hope square does not allow this to happen in game your way of thinking is bad for the game.

To me I play to have fun, if a person messes up oh well, stand up do it again and beat it, I don't complain and how you ever going to expect someone to get better if you all keep kicking people out.

Yet you say get better and they can't you guys are really something you know that? elitist what you gonna do.

[Elazu]

How about adding a third group: People who do well enough to clear content but don't care for know-it-alls putting their 2 gil where it isn't requested. Or does that wreck your binary talking point too badly?

Îf they don't care and are doing well (thus fitting in my "people who do good" statement), they have no reason to be against parsers, right?

that's why SE doesn't want to give it to you, what you are saying right now is the point I am making, you think you are entitled but not others.

You can't be serious. YOU think people are entitled to play as bad as they want and disrupt other's dungeon/trial/raid experience.

What is a subscription for to play the game, having low DPS is not disrupting you as a player, the only reason you know this is because of your parser, if you didn't have it, you wouldn't know thus you can't put the blame on anyone and that's exactly what im pointing out.

If I want to run a dungeon/trial/raid and there is one or more people doing extremely low dps and they are thus denying me and the other people the clear, they need to get out. You generally don't even need a parser for that, because just looking at the Blizz spamming BLM will tell you what the issue is, but with a parser everyone would be able to see it.

Exactly the reason I hope square does not allow this to happen in game your way of thinking is bad for the game.

I'd argue that YOUR way of thinking is bad for the game, because it encourages people to disrupt others.

To me I play to have fun, if a person messes up oh well, stand up do it again and beat it, I don't complain and how you ever going to expect someone to get better if you all keep kicking people out.

Yes, because that is what everyone is instantly doing, right?

Here's a fun fact: Good players also play for fun. You don't need to be bad at the game to have fun. Being good is probably way more fun!

Yet you say get better and they can't you guys are really something you know that? elitist what you gonna do.

Yeah, but meaningless buzzword buzzword buzzword! Explain THAT!

Another argument is players pay so they can play how they want. Yet that allowance is not given for tanks and healers, because if tanks and healers play to the same level as those who make that argument then those same players would complain.

This is a great point, the anti-parser crowd always conveniently ignores.