Parsers and Problems

[Sapphic]

Help like how kick people? They paid their subscription and is allowed to fight that fight, he got into the fight because the requirements were met.

So you would be perfectly fine in hard content if the tank couldn't or didn't evern try to hold enmity and the mobs where running all over the place killing everyone else? Or a healer that refuses to heal in hard content?

No you wouldn't. No one would. You would tell them and if no change, replace them. But that would be blatently obvious. Yet when It comes to DPS there isn't on all jobs obvious things to see if they are underperforming at the level neeeded to clear content. Parsers will show that. Or, more often than not, they think they are doing fine when they aren't. Parsers will show them the reality of why they cannot progress on content.

Wouldn't you prefer to know why you can't do certain content? Instead of continuing oblivious to the facts of why you cannot progress.

Tanks are accountable for mistakes or playing badly, healers are held accountable for mistakes and playing badly because it is painfully obvious when they do.

When I play tank and I screw up, bad things happen and it's obvious. When I run as SCH and I mess up, players die. Yet as MNK if I messed up my rotation, as i'm with other DPS, then it is not obvious.

Now give me a reason why DPS cannot be held to the same accountability as tanks and healers.

[sirDarts]

As a side note (and I really don't mean to insult anyone here, it's just my opinion only) you people that play for progress and find it fun are the reason why mmos have stopped focusing on the community and why the sandbox genre just isn't successful with mmos anymore. Talking about wiping continuously as a waste of time when playing a game (and an mmo at that) IIIIS a waste of time and nothing you ever accomplish in a game will ever mean anything (friendships and marriages excluded, those are everlasting <3) and we all need to start acknowledging that.

Wiping continuously without seeing any sort of progress IS a waste of time.
I don't mind trying Bismarck EX for 2 hours straight if I see that we are slowly getting further. But when we are wiping at the exact same spot every single time, it gets incredibly frustrating.

[CarnivalNights]

I can't believe the sorry and poor excuses people come up with to enable being bad where the content requires you to be at your up most peak performance.

[KarstenS]

I don't like parser's never have since how people use them.
A lot say no they want to improve and help them, that's a big lie in itself

When raid content is current and fresh, its needed to situational optimize the DPS output. Thats not possible without knowing the numbers. Working through the battle log is also not an option, as long DoT and HoT ticks are missing. And it would be slow. Very slow.

As long you are lacking in experience with current raid content, you don't know what is a lie and what not. So you should not call out stuff, you don't have the knowledge about.

You can ask as many raidgroups as you want. You will not find a single group, that finished at least A1S and don't use parsers.

[KaliAurion]

Eh...Some people use parsers for their own personal gain (me), some people use it to help others, some people use it to belittle others. It's the same as being in a position of power. How it's used is dependant on the person in said position.
And as stated before it's pretty useful for raiding for a few reasons. I personally wouldn't mind seeing an in-game parser, but I might be biased since I'm confident with the numbers I pull on my DPS and tank jobs.

[Elazu]

Help like how kick people? They paid their subscription and is allowed to fight that fight, he got into the fight because the requirements were met.

Maybe. But he's not entitled to hold people back, just because he pays 15 bucks. So does everyone else. People ARE entitled to beat the content they queue up for and if some player is making it impossible, he needs to go. It's as simple as that.

[ShaneDawn]

Always the same debate. Parsers do not make people mean. Mean people may abuse it, but those people would be mean even without a parser. Badmouthing everyone that uses a parser is just outright rude. Most people will not care about your numbers as long as you're clearing content. If your dps is holding a party back? Yeah, that's bad, and you shouldn't be expected to be babied around with other people overecerting for your lack of damage. Even then, most people will not be rude about it, but rather ask if you're doing X or telling facts as are.

I get the feeling that the only people against parsers are the ones that are really not pulling their weight at all. If you're doing less than 500dps on content with i180, especially end-game, then yeah, that's bad when I could do more on my lvl 50 bard on 2,5.

For the people arguing that mechanics>dps; true, but they're not mutually exclusive. Good players will both deal decent damage and perform the mechanics to an agreeable standard. You will not be clearing any hard content, if you're dealing less dps than your Warrior friend.

[hagare]

I don't like parser's never have since how people use them.
A lot say no they want to improve and help them, that's a big lie in itself, your idea of helping and improving is kicking, also why would people help if they don't want to explain a fight then direct them to youtube.

people who don't want parsers implemented are those who are too lazy to play their best and just wants to be carried.

see, I can also make untrue generalizing statement.

[Elim]

If DPS were held accountable for their actions from the get-go we'd probably have very little if no complaints about parsers on the forums. Now that DPS have been coddled, hell will freeze over before they give it up.

For example SWTOR allows parsers. In all the years I played SWTOR I didn't see a single complaint on the forum about parsers.

It's really a shame that the devs decided to go this way. In the end I think they caused more friction in the community than they stopped.

[Eidolon]

If DPS were held accountable for their actions from the get-go we'd probably have very little if no complaints about parsers on the forums. Now that DPS have been coddled, hell will freeze over before they give it up.

For example SWTOR allows parsers. In all the years I played SWTOR I didn't see a single complaint on the forum about parsers.

It's really a shame that the devs decided to go this way. In the end I think they caused more friction in the community than they stopped.

this is actually a pretty interesting thought! Do you think the cultures evolved differently because of the 'official' response from the Devs, in one case one effectively banning it (meaning that people could hide behind it) vs. the other case where it was publicly allowed (meaning that people embraced it within the community.)


If we ever do get a parse from SE, do you think it will be embraced or do you think it will create people who make PF's saying "No parses allowed"? Do you think there will be a negative reaction to its presence?

Before anyone counters that players will leave en-masse if a Parse is introduced, do keep in mind that many successful MMO's have had the presence of parses without issue. I don't think a large portion of the playerbase will be affected or will act upon it.