Parsers and Problems

[CGMidlander]

Help like how kick people? They paid their subscription and is allowed to fight that fight, he got into the fight because the requirements were met.

Paying a subscription doesn't entitle a person to be disruptive to the rest of the group. (All of whom also pay subscriptions, mind you.)
The subscription is an entry fee, like a ticket to an amusement park, not a VIP free beer princess-for-a-day pass.

The "I pay a subscription so I can do whatever I want" mentality is absurd.

[Zeonx]

Paying a subscription doesn't entitle a person to be disruptive to the rest of the group. (All of whom also pay subscriptions, mind you.)
The subscription is an entry fee, like a ticket to an amusement park, not a VIP free beer princess-for-a-day pass.

The "I pay a subscription so I can do whatever I want" mentality is absurd.

I can say the same to you, it doesn't entitle you to use a parser to judge people just for low dps.

that's why SE doesn't want to give it to you, what you are saying right now is the point I am making, you think you are entitled but not others.

What makes you better or anyone for that matter than someone else?

What is a subscription for to play the game, having low DPS is not disrupting you as a player, the only reason you know this is because of your parser, if you didn't have it, you wouldn't know thus you can't put the blame on anyone and that's exactly what im pointing out.

Exactly the reason I hope square does not allow this to happen in game your way of thinking is bad for the game.

To me I play to have fun, if a person messes up oh well, stand up do it again and beat it, I don't complain and how you ever going to expect someone to get better if you all keep kicking people out.

Yet you say get better and they can't you guys are really something you know that? elitist what you gonna do.

[KarstenS]

having low DPS is not disrupting you as a player

If its gonna be a wipefest over and over again, because of that low DPS player, this player is disrupting me.

But as we can see: You don't want to understand.

[Sapphic]

I can say the same to you, it doesn't entitle you to use a parser to judge people just for low dps.

When players cannot meet DPS requirements for content and thus cannot clear, then yes, it is disrupting my play and everyone else in the party that are making an effort to clear the content. The onl;y difference a parser would make is in showing where the problems are. DPS player 1 and 2 may be doing over whats needed, whereas DPS 3 and 4 are doing under the minimum required to clear. A parser will allow the rest of the party to fix the problem and either help the underperforming players or replace them. The underperforming players will know exactly why if they get replaced and any sane person will try to fix that so they no longer get replaced. NO ONE goes into content with the intention to fail.

How does one persons subscription outweigh the combined subscriptions of the rest of the party if that one person is disrupting the others gamplay by underperforming to the minmum standard required to clear content?

Also, I'll ask again. Would you keep an underperforming tank who keeps losing aggro and cannot be bothered to get it back, which causes the party to wipe? Would you keep a healer who doesn't heal enough to keep players alive, so party dies and wipes? So what makes DPS so special that they can underperform and not be held accountable?

Also viable reason for kicking underperforming players is difference of playstyle. There playstyle is playing badly. Player dispute, thus fine with the vote kick rules.

Also I've stated before, and others have too. players are ALREADY being kicked from parties for bad gameplay. With a parser DPS will know exactly why they are getting replaced. Also it would act as a wake up call to no, they are not playing to the minimum required to pass said content. With that wake up call we may actually see less whine posts demanding things get nerfed. Or less need for content getting Echo buffs.

In before, I main as MNK, and doesn't matter if I'm with static progressing on Alex Savage or with random players in Duty Finder, I play to my best to contribute towards a fun and succesful run for everyone. Levelling NIN which I hadn't touched since I got to 50 many months ago, I didn't touch DF until I got comfortable with the rotation again and was performing adequetly.

[ShanaShirayuki]

Also, I'll ask again. Would you keep an underperforming tank who keeps losing aggro and cannot be bothered to get it back, which causes the party to wipe? Would you keep a healer who doesn't heal enough to keep players alive, so party dies and wipes? So what makes DPS so special that they can underperform and not be held accountable?

Cannot stress this enough, point has appeared multiple times in the DPS forums thread.

[Odett]

I can say the same to you, it doesn't entitle you to use a parser to judge people just for low dps.

that's why SE doesn't want to give it to you, what you are saying right now is the point I am making, you think you are entitled but not others.

What makes you better or anyone for that matter than someone else?

What is a subscription for to play the game, having low DPS is not disrupting you as a player, the only reason you know this is because of your parser, if you didn't have it, you wouldn't know thus you can't put the blame on anyone and that's exactly what im pointing out.

Exactly the reason I hope square does not allow this to happen in game your way of thinking is bad for the game.

To me I play to have fun, if a person messes up oh well, stand up do it again and beat it, I don't complain and how you ever going to expect someone to get better if you all keep kicking people out.

Yet you say get better and they can't you guys are really something you know that? elitist what you gonna do.

Your first point applies to you as well, you know. You're as entitled to play poorly as your group is to kicking you. How is having low DPS not disrupting runs? Have you ever heard of a DPS race? If a group is dying during a DPS race and one person is underperforming, then that is totally disrupting a run. Whether you had the parser or not, you would STILL WIPE, but having a parser allows you to get an idea of what's wrong due to low numbers, and deal with a situation accordingly instead of disbanding the entire group.

Having fun and playing well are not mutually exclusive, by the way. I have more fun with people that play well clearing content than being stuck with a group of people dying to the same mechanics/phases of a fight over and over again and answering with "just stick to your job" when given advice.

You've mentioned that you've gotten kicked from groups before. How many times have you gone on YouTube or visited the DPS forums and read a guide pertaining to your job? You seem to think that DPS players pulling their own weight is a luxury rather than a requirement. Someone else said this before and I'd like an answer to the following question. If a tank is playing poorly, it is noticeable and the group will wipe. If a healer is playing poorly, it is noticeable and the group will wipe. What gives you a free pass as a DPS?

[Ashkendor]

Also, I'll ask again. Would you keep an underperforming tank who keeps losing aggro and cannot be bothered to get it back, which causes the party to wipe? Would you keep a healer who doesn't heal enough to keep players alive, so party dies and wipes? So what makes DPS so special that they can underperform and not be held accountable?

You've mentioned that you've gotten kicked from groups before. How many times have you gone on YouTube or visited the DPS forums and read a guide pertaining to your job? You seem to think that DPS players pulling their own weight is a luxury rather than a requirement. Someone else said this before and I'd like an answer to the following question. If a tank is playing poorly, it is noticeable and the group will wipe. If a healer is playing poorly, it is noticeable and the group will wipe. What gives you a free pass as a DPS?

Take all of my likes! I seriously hate this double standard. I can't fathom going into DF and not doing my best no matter what my role is. I usually tank or heal, but I enjoy playing DPS too. It's nice to have less pressure on you sometimes! Any time I get a class to 60, if I'm going to be playing it at all I either go research on google or "phone a friend" and pick their brain about the job.

Now that I think about it, it's funny how nobody in the anti-parser crowd ever has an answer for this question.

[Sapphic]

Now that I think about it, it's funny how nobody in the anti-parser crowd ever has an answer for this question.

They seem to conveniently ignore that question because they don't have an answer which would support their view on not having parsers.

[hagare]

What is a subscription for to play the game, having low DPS is not disrupting you as a player, the only reason you know this is because of your parser, if you didn't have it, you wouldn't know thus you can't put the blame on anyone and that's exactly what im pointing out.

You keep throwing around the word subscription as if you're the only one paying for them. Don't forget that everyone who plays FF14 pays the subscription, including the people you're playing with that keeps failing DPS checks because you can't meet the DPS requirement.

and not knowing where the problem originates from does not mean that the problem doesn't exist.
low DPS in a DPS check content is disruptive.
How are you gonna clear the DPS check if you can't meet it?

To me I play to have fun, if a person messes up oh well, stand up do it again and beat it, I don't complain and how you ever going to expect someone to get better if you all keep kicking people out.

how can you "stand up do it again and beat it" if you keep failing at DPS checks?
is it fun for the rest of the party who gets held back by the person who can't meet the DPS requirement?
how can you tell who needs to improve if everyone does the mechanics perfectly but keep failing the DPS check?

Yet you say get better and they can't you guys are really something you know that? elitist what you gonna do.

why can't they?
if they can get better, then of course they won't be kicked.
but if they can't, is it fair that 7 people is held back by the 1 person who as you said it, can't get better?
and how can they get better if they don't know they have a problem?