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    And then you die. Great choice, Mr. Tank.
    Well, if a healer let's a tank die, especially if they are solely focusing on healing, rather than DPSing and other shenanigans, it speaks for itself. The tank stance helps reduce damage, but in expert roulette, a tank stance isn't going to make the night and day difference, and again, ESPECIALLY if the healer is solely focusing on healing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sareal View Post
    Well, if a healer let's a tank die, especially if they are solely focusing on healing, rather than DPSing and other shenanigans, it speaks for itself. The tank stance helps reduce damage, but in expert roulette, a tank stance isn't going to make the night and day difference, and again, ESPECIALLY if the healer is solely focusing on healing.
    Depending on the healer or the tank ilv, it DOES make a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fevelle View Post
    Depending on the healer or the tank ilv, it DOES make a difference.
    It does make a difference, it's just not that significant, at least not in this type of content. I personally disagree that a tank is going to die simply because he decides to switch into his STR accessories and into DPS stance. I've seen mediocre healers keep DPS alive through trash, without tanks. Unless you pull a ridiculous amount of trash, the lowest ilvl possible in the dungeon can still handle a tank going DPS mode pretty fairly. Trash won't hit for 5k each and even if they did hit for 5k, it's still only a 20% reduction, or 1/5 of extra damage if you prefer. The healer would have to be pretty bad / distracted to not be able to handle the damage being dished out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sareal View Post
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    Tanks usually pull everything till the next tornado/portal on Neverreap, for example. If an ilv145 tank goes into DPS instance + str gear and pull that much, he'll probably die if he isn't keeping strict control of his cooldowns and probably won't be able to keep hate too. But that's not the point in the thread. To be honest, if some tank/dps want so bad the healer to deal damage, they should go play a healer and dps whatever they want. It's ~NOT~ our primary responsability and will never be. If we want/feel confident enough, fine, if not, don't complain, because we're already doing our job by keeping the party alive and buffing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fevelle View Post
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    I don't disagree with you, but I am disagreeing on the fact that you are saying a tank will die if they switch to DPS mode. I personally go in DPS mode 24/7 in expert roulette dungeons, I have never had problems. My damage intake is so low, watching the healer not do anything while I clemency myself for the laugh makes me wonder how bored they will get. As far as the topic, that's fine if you don't want to DPS and what not, but as far as I'm concerned, when I heal, I simply cannot just stand there and watch the health bar slowly drop, it's just boring to me. Plus, the extra damage I can do during that time is very welcomed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sareal View Post
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    Well, I see a lot of DK and Warriors on Neverreap (the dungeon I farm for eso) taking HUGE amounts of damage WHILE PULLING, they haven't even stopped to estabilish aggro and are already at 25% HP. And ~of course~ using Tetra when that happens get me aggro. Maybe I'm just unlucky, idk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fevelle View Post
    And ~of course~ using Tetra when that happens get me aggro. Maybe I'm just unlucky, idk
    That seems awfully specific. I refuse to believe that this is how all of your runs goes, because it literally only takes 1 AoE from the tank to hold aggro from any kind of healing abilities, assuming they are pulling with their tank stances on. If they are pulling with their DPS stances on, they aren't very smart and simply don't know how to play their role. As a paladin, I can hold the aggro of an entire AoE pack by simply spamming Flash, and even just 1 flash will at least keep aggro from the healer until I pulled everything I intended to pull if they so decide to heal me during the "pull run"
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