Are healers lazy or do some really live by "I only heal"?

[Bebekurenai]

What's with the people calling healers lazy when they only heal?
Why do I keep seeing this? Not only are we frozen to the screen without being allowed to look away one second, babysitting the dps who see a red telegraph and think they must stand in it, and watching over the tank who must have un-learned flash/foresight/rampart/etc, that we are expected to dps cause you don't like us standing there?
Hey, call us lazy if we don't esuna/leech you, call us lazy if we don't stoneskin/adlo, if we don't refresh protect... but you call us lazy cause we don't dps? We are HEALERS! You are not one to call out on us when we choose to only heal. Call us lazy when we don't fulfill our duty as healers, not when we don't give you the bonus.
"When I play healer I like to dps too and I don't understand the problem of others not doing it" well good for you and lucky your party! But everybody doesn't play the same, and nobody should judge and throw stones, you don't know the other person nor why he/she does it or doesn't do it. If they give you what is expected of their role, accept it and be happy.

[Amaya-Asha]

"I only heal" when I do not trust the tank that likes standing in all the aoe for the whole dungeon or tank over pulls and I have to cure spam the tank... Trust is an issue. Being unfamiliar with a dungeon doesn't help my confidence to Dps safely. I enjoy doing some dps when I can. Healer rule Safety "cure" first! Dpsing second.

[Seku]

If a healer doesn't dps. ;x I just get out of my tanking stance and DPS in full STR gear after setting hate. Might as well increase your damage a bit if their going to contribute 0.

[ShaneDawn]

If a healer doesn't dps. ;x I just get out of my tanking stance and DPS in full STR gear after setting hate. Might as well increase your damage a bit if their going to contribute 0.

Next thing you know, you're readibg a thread about paper tanks who go in full STR and they can't semi-afk watching Netflix while in the dungeon.

[ShaneDawn]

Next thing you know, you're readibg a thread about paper tanks who go in full STR and they can't semi-afk watching Netflix while in the dungeon.

reading** about healers conplaining about paper tanks**

Phone.

[kazeandi]

And here I thought I was just getting rotten luck or maybe I missed something from the last patch. Happens ALL THE TIME. Had one healer just jumping around staying at 90% mana the entire run because he only had to cast heal every 8-10s. Had another that was playing firefighter and casting his baby heal after every. single. attack. We could have easily cleared the place 4-5 minutes (read: 20-25%) faster if they had so much as put dots up and occasionally AoE'd

If you're 20-25% faster just by having your healer deal damage, kick your DDs and find competent ones.

[ShaneDawn]

If you're 20-25% faster just by having your healer deal damage, kick your DDs and find competent ones.

You do know that a good healer can deal close to same damage (and some cases even better) on packs of mobs than certain dps classes right? Their single target damage is not nearly as potent, but I've seen White Mages do huge numbers with Holy spam, and Scholars with Bane.

In an ideal world, everyone would contribute to the best of their abilities. However, we have a bunch of people who dgaf and play like "they want". That is why we have lazy healers, bad dps players and tanks afking easy content in full vit. It's usually not a l2p issue in easy content, but rather people being lazy/stubborn.

Not expecting everyone to be MLG, but you can see the slackers.

[Bebekurenai]

If a healer doesn't dps. ;x I just get out of my tanking stance and DPS in full STR gear after setting hate. Might as well increase your damage a bit if their going to contribute 0.

What are you even meaning with "contribute 0"? They are already contributing by keeping you safe. Again, dps is not our main focus.

However, we have a bunch of people who dgaf and play like "they want". That is why we have lazy healers, bad dps players and tanks afking easy content in full vit. It's usually not a l2p issue in easy content, but rather people being lazy/stubborn.

Not expecting everyone to be MLG, but you can see the slackers.

Lazy or slacking is when a healer doesn't buff or dispel, so basicly doesn't do what his job implies. And yes, everyone plays as they want. This is not a job or test where you supposed to be rated all the time. You have your opinion about how things should work, we have ours, and ours actually go with the job. I agree with you but I wouldn't include the term lazy or slacker when a healer doesn't dps.

[Seku]

What are you even meaning with "contribute 0"? They are already contributing by keeping you safe. Again, dps is not our main focus..

You're contributing 0 to the DPS. More dps = mobs dead faster and in the case of WHM and holy you basically can make the tank invincible for a few seconds due to stun which is the best cure of all because they take...-drum rolls- a total of 0 damage, which translates into a mini Hollow Ground while taking off a good 10-15% of every mobs Health bar.

A tank is already contributing keeping you safe too, yet good ones don't turtle up because they know the extra VIT is a waste and how to manipulate CDs, unless their rolling with a flat out retarded or brand new low ilevel healer.

Lazy or slacking is when you're top off on MP and spamming cure to cure 2 when the tank is over half full on HP and no DPS is dying and thats when I drop shield oath and bust out the str accessories. :3 Because if you're not using that mp in a way that actually has a use (restoring hp and not over curing), means you're not working hard enough and all those cures are to waste, might as well make them useful.

And last thing, your perception on what the job "implies" is not what the job "is". Healers have attack spells. If SE did not want healers DPSing or have the option to DPS they would have not given them DPS spells that drastically can speed up runs. When SE gets rid of the attack options or make it to where those spells are 100% useless in a majority of current content (like 11), I'll accept the mantra of "Healers only heal."

You do know that a good healer can deal close to same damage (and some cases even better) on packs of mobs than certain dps classes right? Their single target damage is not nearly as potent, but I've seen White Mages do huge numbers with Holy spam, and Scholars with Bane.

What is this madness!? Healers do good damage in AoE damage to run down trash packs of mobs and have the most impact on how fast a speed run goes due to a entirely new source of damage being added on!? Preposterous! (kidding)

[Bebekurenai]

Your last point I strongly will have to disagree. If SE wanted healers to actively and demandingly contribute to the dps on duties, they would have included their dps in their minimum damage in party calculations. And we know they didn't and won't. My perception on what the job healer implies is in the word itself. Healer = a guy that heals. Yes they have attack spells, and we could argue for hours on the propper use for them, may it be for solo purposes, or to help the party, either way there are optimizations which are controlled by the player himself and his willingness.

You might find a better use for those mp that don't seem to run low, but maybe the healer himself doesn't. As mentioned before, we have a diferent understanding of things and a diferent standard where your line of lazyness is lower than mine. But I will say this again, a healer's role and purpose is to heal and therefore I don't expect any less mor any more. Any less of that for me is lazy, any more is a bonus.
It's up to us all to perform our best or maybe not, depending on the importance given. Talking about myself, if the party has no danger and all is good, I will toss in my dps too, but I need to be sure the tank can hold the mobs alone for a bit and the dps dodge things. If I am on blm and my healer doesn't dps, it's fine, as long as stoneskins are going around and he is doing his job, I don't expect any more. If the party's dps is low and things just keep living forever, I certainly would not blame the healer for not dps'ing, I will look at the dps.

On a side note, and on this I completely agree with you guys. If I see a healer jumping around while the party is killing stuff and there is no danger and mp are good, I will call that guy lazy, cause obviously he is not panicking or glueing his eyes on the party menu maybe too shy or unsure to switch to cleric stance. Then definetly yes, LAZY!!!

To finish, guys, stop being so perfect, play and have fun. If there's a problem or something to be improved, tell your party members: are they ok? Do they have a young puppy claiming attention? Are they sad?Are they not on their main job and maybe unsure but need to practice? Maybe you miss the oportunity to meet someone great and you might not see him/her again. Just don't get grumpy if they don't perfom as best as they can.