The Real Problem with Parsers

[Kumori_Kumo]

I shouldn't have to make a premade to expect people to know basic informations about their jobs.

Here's the thing you are critically failing to understand.
Casual players, AKA the bad ones you hate? They are the lifeblood of this game. Being exceptional by its very nature makes you the minority whether you like it or not. The moment the majority of those players feel like this game is full of hostile assholes who kick them for not playing well enough? They stop playing, they stop paying, and poof. Your game is gone.
So yes, it does fall on you. And me. And everyone, to tolerate (or, gasp, try to help improve) subpar play.

[hallena]

Here's the thing you are critically failing to understand.
Casual players, AKA the bad ones you hate? They are the lifeblood of this game. Being exceptional by its very nature makes you the minority whether you like it or not. The moment the majority of those players feel like this game is full of hostile assholes who kick them for not playing well enough? They stop playing, they stop paying, and poof. Your game is gone.
So yes, it does fall on you. And me. And everyone, to tolerate (or, gasp, try to help improve) subpar play.

Here"s the thing you fail to understand. Casuals doesn't mean bad. I have dozens of casual friends on my server who can both do well in savage and pull 1.1-1.2k+ in dungeons. There is a difference between casual and bad. Learn it

[Kumori_Kumo]

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Okay look.
Nobody is arguing that you can't kick someone who's obviously playing so badly you can't pass through a simple dungeon.
If you're making it through just fine, however, and you still kick someone partway in because their numbers didn't please you? You deserve to have the book thrown at you.

[hallena]

Okay look.
Nobody is arguing that you can't kick someone who's obviously playing so badly you can't pass through a simple dungeon.
If you're making it through just fine, however, and you still kick someone partway in because their numbers didn't please you? You deserve to have the book thrown at you.

As i said, if someone is in similar gear, which mean he has done part of savage at the very least and cannot pull reasonable numbers, this person is being lazy and expect other people to do most of the work for them. im not gonna spend 30-35minutes in fractal so im kicking that person. There's nothing else to argue about. The bad players can leave this game for all i care, that only mean less *pls nerf literally everything* thread on the general forum

[Kumori_Kumo]

im not gonna spend 30-35minutes in fractal so im kicking that person.

So to recap, you think
-30 minutes in a dungeon is intolerable
-Casual players are doing Savage despite the fact that at most 20% of people cleared T9, and
-Random people who cannot make parties should make parties rather than use the Duty Finder, the purpose of which is to compose a random party.

Wow.
Just wow.
I guess I'll have to take solace in the fact that the actual devs agree with me, and hope you get caught doing this.

[Aiselia]

I guess I'll have to take solace in the fact that the actual devs agree with me, and hope you get caught doing this.

You can also take solace in the fact that Hallena's attitude shown here is actually a perfect example of the type of people who shouldn't be allowed to use parsers.

[Clarkamite]

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To respond:
-30 Minutes in a dungeon that shouldn't take 30 minutes is definitely intolerable. I've got other things to do, it's bad enough I have to run like 5 experts a week even after clearing savage.
-There are definitely casual players doing Savage. Just ask the clowns that got carried in my static and are continuing to get carried now.
-Why are random people not able to create parties? Is there no Party Finder in this game? No option to shout? Tell? Yell?

I'm about as open of a player as one could be. If I see a new guy in the dungeon who doesn't have a lot of gear and is clear he's still in the process of farming Law, I'm not gonna harass the guy. I'm just going to play that much harder so that the dungeon is that much shorter. I have a life outside of this game.

Lord knows I love this game but I don't want to be spending a million hours doing a trivial task like running my 14th damn Neverreap of the week because I'm a BLM and to SE that means please give me Neverreap every single time. No no no, I want to get out of there as soon as possible.

You can also take solace in the fact that Hallena's attitude shown here is actually a perfect example of the type of people who shouldn't be allowed to use parsers.

What about me? Can I use a parser? Can I see my numbers after each run? Why do I have to be bothered to ask my friends after every single clear what I was at? And what about when they aren't parsing? I'm just supposed to be like, "Well, I guess I'll never know how to min max my own rotations and fights." Sure, I'm good, but you're telling me I'm not allowed to make improvements and be the absolute best I can be.

I've never harassed anyone about their numbers. I've pretty much never harassed anyone until they started attacking me. But, you don't want people to have the option to step on your toes about something legitimate with evidence, so instead I have to be the one who's toes are getting stepped on. I tell you what, if anyone ever comes at me and is like, "Fire, your numbers are bad. Git gud." I would be like, ok thanks. I'm not going to go cry about it. Instead I'd be fighting to get the option to see my own numbers and work on it myself so I'm not wasting other peoples time.

And no, a dummy parse isn't going to do that for me. All that's going to tell me is my rotation is bad or good. I can have a great rotation but zero raid awareness and my dummy parse isn't going to mean much. I can hit 1400-1600 on a dummy with buffs but what good is that if I'm some scrub hitting 700 in a1s?

[Kumori_Kumo]

I don't want to be spending a million hours

Three.

6 30 minute dungeons a week = three hours.
Cut that down by half, you saved one and a half hours in a week.

Just ask the clowns that got carried in my static

>Static
>Casuals
Inigo Montoya meme.

Why are random people not able to create parties?

Because they don't have statics. Or groups. Or they're in the 10,000 man FCs where asking for a single thing is like shouting at a wall. All of this is just a distraction, of course, from the fact that the DF is there for people who don't have parties. End of story.

[AskaRay]

To respond:
-30 Minutes in a dungeon that shouldn't take 30 minutes is definitely intolerable. I've got other things to do, it's bad enough I have to run like 5 experts a week even after clearing savage.
-There are definitely casual players doing Savage. Just ask the clowns that got carried in my static and are continuing to get carried now.
-Why are random people not able to create parties? Is there no Party Finder in this game? No option to shout? Tell? Yell?

Technically, they give you 90 minutes to do the dungeon, and anything faster than that is "quickly".
Like how entitled do you have even be to feel that thirty minutes of your day is just too long to spend with those filthy casuals?

Also if that's how you speak about your static, maybe you should get a new one. You shouldn't speak of your teammates like they don't matter.

[Aiselia]

But, you don't want people to have the option to step on your toes about something legitimate with evidence, so instead I have to be the one who's toes are getting stepped on.

Please look at the other thread about parsers currently just a couple threads down before snapping at me about what I think should or shouldn't be in the game regarding parsers. It'll save plenty of time.

I still don't understand how random people can't make parties. I have a static that runs once a week. Twice if we're lucky. That's all they do. I seem to create parties for other content (without them) just fine. Party Finder is there for a reason.

Duty roulette is for people who will accept what they get in a random group. Party finder is for people who want to control who's in their group. Party finder is not for people who are scared of getting kicked and wasting their queue time in duty roulette because they weren't up to the random group's standards.