Yoshi P / Dev Team: FAVOR System - Please Fix This BROKEN System

[Aeyis]

But introducing it before the reward is even realized would be pretty unfortunate for those who were at the leading edge.

This comparison makes no sense. You cannot buy item drops from Alex after you already got yours for the week.
However for crafting having more materials on the market is in your benefit.

Regardless of whether its because you can get more, or others.


Besides, everyone expected a change. Anyone that did use the favors or tokens or whatever did so fully expecting it. Nay, hoping for it despite using their items.


Saying that it would be unfair to suddenly have higher yield despite all of this, just means you are using the argument for arguments sake rather then actually considering if it applies here.


''It would be unfair'' No, it would not. Unfair is having the system in its previous broken state implemented in the first place.

[Thrustie]

This comparison makes no sense. You cannot buy item drops from Alex after you already got yours for the week.
However for crafting having more materials on the market is in your benefit.

Regardless of whether its because you can get more, or others.


Besides, everyone expected a change. Anyone that did use the favors or tokens or whatever did so fully expecting it. Nay, hoping for it despite using their items.


Saying that it would be unfair to suddenly have higher yield despite all of this, just means you are using the argument for arguments sake rather then actually considering if it applies here.


''It would be unfair'' No, it would not. Unfair is having the system in its previous broken state implemented in the first place.

You talk like you speak on behalf of the whole community. You don't. I wanted a change to the time spent, not the yield, so get off your pedestal. It's not an argument for the sake of an argument. Your points do nothing to diminish the fact that suddenly increasing the yield 5 weeks into a progression patch where people can bank and hoard tokens would have been goofy and unfair. Your silly Miss Cleo crystal ball argument doesn't hold any water. There's people out there who probably did favors and don't even come on these forums.

You perceive that the whole crafting system is broken. I've seen your tirades in every thread for the past month. So it's no surprise that you believe any change to the system is warranted and desired. Not everyone agrees with you and your lack of empathy for anyone with an opinion differing from yours really discredits you.

[Ossom]

You talk like you speak on behalf of the whole community. You don't. I wanted a change to the time spent, not the yield, so get off your pedestal. It's not an argument for the sake of an argument. Your points do nothing to diminish the fact that suddenly increasing the yield 5 weeks into a progression patch where people can bank and hoard tokens would have been goofy and unfair. Your silly Miss Cleo crystal ball argument doesn't hold any water. There's people out there who probably did favors and don't even come on these forums.

You perceive that the whole crafting system is broken. I've seen your tirades in every thread for the past month. So it's no surprise that you believe any change to the system is warranted and desired. Not everyone agrees with you and your lack of empathy for anyone with an opinion differing from yours really discredits you.

100% Agree. I see her post in every thread as if the favor system is completely broken and the only way it could be fixed is if other gatherers used their red scrips to gatherer her favor items and sell them to her for cheap.That's what she wants, but its not gonna happen.

I've been doing favors since the get go and the old system worked for me, I had pretty much full WVR set done before 3.07 and now I almost have the full LTW set done also. Im about 4 pieces away from being done and moving on to the next set. System seems to be working very fine.

@Seorin you nerf content when it is no longer thee relevant content of the game at the time. Right now, Favors and 2 Star crafts are the end game. When should this stuff be nerfed? In 3.2~3.4 When 3 star comes out and we are looking at newer accessories or full sets of gear. This is how they've always done nerfs. With raids and with gathering requirements.

[Aeyis]

You talk like you speak on behalf of the whole community. You don't.

I talk as tho I got a clear understanding of many (not all) perspectives that people in our community will have on (this) topic.
I do. Because I try to understanding perspectives that arent mine.
As is outlined in my arguments. You can always read those, and see for yourself.
I never claim to speak for 100% of the community. But if I bother to make posts like those you can be damned I'll understand most of the (realistic) perspectives involved.
Which I show via my arguments.

I wanted a change to the time spent, not the yield, so get off your pedestal.

My ''pedestal'' is made up by my arguments. If you don't want me to look down from on top of them, you should consider actually trying to use solid arguments yourself.
But all you can seem to do is defend a failing system (of crafting, of gathering).

It's not an argument for the sake of an argument.

Yes it is, otherwise you would respond to my individual arguments, instead of responding to my posts in their entirety, and claiming I'm ''on a high horse'' and ''falsely claiming to represent the community''.

Your points do nothing to diminish the fact that suddenly increasing the yield 5 weeks into a progression patch where people can bank and hoard tokens would have been goofy and unfair. Your silly Miss Cleo crystal ball argument doesn't hold any water. There's people out there who probably did favors and don't even come on these forums.

Ofcourse there are. Just as there are many more who didnt do favors and don't even come on these forums. Only a very small % of people in general use these forums.
That's no argument for your cause, or mine.

I believe they did diminish it, since it's not a ''fact'' to begin with. Remember favor grinding was a huge grind. I can confidently say that the majority of those that did favor grind before, were pretty hardcore. We have some of the most hardcore players in this game fervently arguing against gathering and crafting in its (previous)/ current state.

As someone who actually did spend my tokens, I too felt it would be fair to increase them.


Because the system needed to be changed, and im not selfish enough to screw over the rest of the community for my own selfish desires.
Or for that my matter, to screw myself over. A boost to yield would also effect my own future yields.


I mentioned this argument several times, you've yet to properly respond to it even once, why?
- If material yield is increased, then your own future yield is also increased.
You wouldnt lose out, you would gain.


Ofcourse it would have been better to increase the yield sooner. Did you perchance also read over the parts in previous posts where I said they should have made these adjustments before even letting the system go live?
I guess you did.

You perceive that the whole crafting system is broken.

Yes, and apparently a whole lot of people agree with me. Everyone with enough information should, I think.

I've seen your tirades in every thread for the past month. So it's no surprise that you believe any change to the system is warranted and desired.

Where did you read that? Because I would only want an actual good change. As for my tirades, I've made several constructed posts on why the systems are broken.
You are free to disagree with my conclusions, but its hard to argue with the facts I've posted in the past. (lack of recipes, poorly tuned)

Not everyone agrees with you and your lack of empathy for anyone with an opinion differing from yours really discredits you.

I dont think you can discredit me. Unfortunately you dont respond to arguments, you only attack.


I have a lot of empathy for people that disagree with me. But I don't have much empathy for mules who hit walls 5 times in a row and insist there is no wall in front of them.
If you go out of your way to ''disagree'', while also avoiding responding to arguments; then yes; you wont get much empathy from me.