Still none of the needed changes?

[Leonus]

Was Drg>Nin>Mnk you can't argue that. Stop trying to downplay dragoons. They're have more of a concrete spot in a raid then Ninja

This is true, but only because of the piercing debuff, and brds/mch being pretty much mandatory themselves.

I'm not taking any real sides here but, when I apply disembowel, in my mind I'm doing it for me, just like mnk with DK or when I'm on nin with no war.

It just so happens that brd/mch are piercing too.... lol. Plus, they themselves are mandatory to high end raiding.

Edit: a lot of this could have been avoided if mch was blunt damage instead.

[Pluvia]

This is true, but only because of the piercing debuff, and brds/mch being pretty much mandatory themselves.

I'm not taking any real sides here but, when I apply disembowel, in my mind I'm doing it for me, just like mnk with DK or when I'm on nin with no war.

It just so happens that brd/mch are piercing too.... lol. Plus, they themselves are mandatory to high end raiding.

No doubt but to say that Drg's utility sucks is just stupid and its not like disembowl is a small dps increase for the bard or machinist. In all honesty they need to redo the utility of some of the melee to make it better.