Still none of the needed changes?

[Arienal]

fang/wheeling are STILL exact copies of each other..and are STILL RNG determined..

BoTD is STILL on a timer that constantly fails due to mechanics beyond player control..

GK is STILL killing the entire buff that cant even be used as often as the low CD would suggest, which defeats the entire purpose of its potency..

SE needs to get rid of the BoTD timer entirely, use something like wrath stacks from WAR for GK, its horrible design for all the new stuff to be reliant on a timed ability with a long CD, especially when fight mechanics that the player cant influence often make you lose BoTD.

Fang/Wheeling have GOT to be their own attacks, like leave fang for building GK stacks and make it a combo bonus after a FT combo, with wheeling having a combo bonus after CT that has some sort of effect like, 'reduced tp cost on next WS' or 'reduces enemy acc' as its combo bouns..just something so it's not an exact COPY.

[La_Bluegirl]

Is this real life? You're really complaining about keeping botd up, when enochian is the same (greased lightning too) except more difficult to keep rolling WHILE ALSO complaining about GK's oGCD 600 potency a minute. All while having arguably the best offensive raid utility of the dps, and the highest single target dps to top it all off. Someone wake me up from this nightmare.

[Aiselia]

You're really complaining about keeping botd up, when enochian is the same (greased lightning too)

Not really. MNKs only have one attack that removes GL and it isn't expected to be used 3x a minute. Enochian also doesn't have anything that actively removes time.

ALSO complaining about GK's oGCD 600 potency a minute.

Doesn't seem like that to me. Seems to me like they're complaining that mechanics forcing the DRG to stop attacking will limit how many times they can realistically use it without letting BOTD fall off far too early. Not going to get 3 a minute if you can't get enough combos in to extend it long enough.

All while having the best offensive raid utility of the dps

Dragoons have Trick Attack?

[Pluvia]

Not really. MNKs only have one attack that removes GL and it isn't expected to be used 3x a minute. Enochian also doesn't have anything that actively removes time.



Doesn't seem like that to me. Seems to me like they're complaining that mechanics forcing the DRG to stop attacking will limit how many times they can realistically use it without letting BOTD fall off far too early. Not going to get 3 a minute if you can't get enough combos in to extend it long enough.



Dragoons have Trick Attack?

They dont' but they have disembowl and battle litany and thats pretty damn close.

[La_Bluegirl]

Not really. MNKs only have one attack that removes GL and it isn't expected to be used 3x a minute.

I'm talking about a rolling timer buff. You know, the original class that had it. They specifically complained botd is still on a timer.

Enochian also doesn't have anything that actively removes time.

Sure it does. Refreshing the cooldown itself lowers it, while dragoon can refresh to its full duration if you wanted to.

Doesn't seem like that to me. Seems to me like they're complaining that mechanics forcing the DRG to stop attacking will limit how many times they can realistically use it without letting BOTD fall off far too early. Not going to get 3 a minute if you can't get enough combos in to extend it long enough.

So hold your GK? It's still free oGCD damage. In a line aoe. Wider and longer than doomspike already is.

Dragoons have Trick Attack?

Nope, but if you're gonna say battle lit + disembowel isn't already extremely strong raid utility then you're being silly.

[Leonus]

I'm talking about a rolling timer buff. You know, the original class that had it. They specifically complained botd is still on a timer.

Sure it does. Refreshing the cooldown itself lowers it, while dragoon can refresh to its full duration if you wanted to.


So hold your GK? It's still free oGCD damage. In a line aoe. Wider and longer than doomspike already is.


Nope, but if you're gonna say battle lit + disembowel isn't already extremely strong raid utility then you're being silly.

You would have to do a proper comparison if you'really going to add disembowel and battle littany together to nins TA + Goad. Could even throw slashing debuff in of you don't have a war.

However, I do understand where you are coming from.

[Arienal]

WHILE ALSO complaining about GK's oGCD 600 potency a minute. All while having arguably the best offensive raid utility of the dps, and the highest single target dps to top it all off.

This isnt about damage, so long as a job's output keeps it viable for content thats enough. This is about piss poor design, they just copy-pasted fang over to wheeling and changed 'flank' to 'rear' but nobody's addressed that. So far im seeing nothing but 'shut up you have high potential damage" nobody has yet to say anything to counter the shit design.

To me that says SE could make a job thats just got 1 attack, all the way to lvl 60, with a potency of 600+ and everything else is buffs. that'd blow the hell out of any damage parser for sure, and by the logic i see alot of people using here, thats apparently good design...sounds more than a bit skewed.

[Leonus]

This isnt about damage, so long as a job's output keeps it viable for content thats enough. This is about piss poor design, they just copy-pasted fang over to wheeling and changed 'flank' to 'rear' but nobody's addressed that. So far im seeing nothing but 'shut up you have high potential damage" nobody has yet to say anything to counter the shit design.

To me that says SE could make a job thats just got 1 attack, all the way to lvl 60, with a potency of 600+ and everything else is buffs. that'd blow the hell out of any damage parser for sure, and by the logic i see alot of people using here, thats apparently good design...sounds more than a bit skewed.

You made one hell of a leap.

[Arienal]

You made one hell of a leap.

Yes, its an exaggeration, a big one. I made it to drive home the point that this seems to be the only counter point anyone makes.

It doesnt matter if the topic comes up ingame, or on the forum. Whether it's me or someone else. Every time it gets brought up its always greeted by "Shut up you have high damage" and its never any discussion about the design itself, just 'damage damage damage'

[CotaBota]

Yeah, make the job with the highest single target dps even better. Geirskogul should also spawn an auto attacking wyvern, and apply Phleb and heavy thrust so y'all don't have to work as hard.

'Goons, man. Try Ninja if you'd like to see what unfair means.