Connecting the DoTs: A Summoner Guide

[Havenchild]

In order to receive the effects of the caster's spell speed attribute, all pet actions excluding auto-attacks have been changed to elemental damage.

This was all the notes ever said about Spell Speed and pets. Not sure how reliable this is as I never take patch notes as the gospel. But I don't believe I've seen any research on there interaction between SS and Pets since the expansion (cloud be wrong).

It's accurate except , auto-attacks were NOT excluded. They are also affected by Foe Requiem thus confirming they were also changed to element attacks.

Have only done two dummy parses but they were 1310 and 1320 using Garuda, no real Fester/Deathflare crit fest or anything. I'm decently geared though, for our time.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/RDOF

i180 > i210 chest is huge. Stupid huge.

What was the time on this parse Sleigh?

[Shizuna]

Welp, here it is. Submit your parses to me through nemirini@gmail.com and please follow instructions on the guidelines.

http://bit.ly/smnonlydps

Edit: Freaking Avalen begged me btw. :c

2nd Edit: You can submit through forms - http://bit.ly/smndpsform

[Sunako]

So if ss > crit > det is stat weight, that is gonna be our bis? http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/RDTS

[Havenchild]

Welp, here it is. Submit your parses to me through nemirini@gmail.com and please follow instructions on the guidelines.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=737224211

Edit: Freaking Avalen begged me btw. :c

<3 Thanks again.

[Dervy]

Spell Speed does affect the damage of Ifrit and co though I'm not sure to what extent (have done 0 testing on this one) - I can begin gathering data on this for you, just curious what all you'd need data wise.

Clarification on the book whacking? You posted CRT > SS > CRT? Which one was supposed to be DET (if any?) I think most people are trying to book whack on extremely stationary fights (Faust) and abandoning it when it's not feasible. Not sure how often this is happening overall.

Let me know if I can help anymore, Dervy! The SS winning over CRT and DET is incredibly interesting, I wouldn't have guessed that!

CRT > SS > DET.

This is why you don't post at 3am after having a few drinks, Dervy!


But think about it this way. 51% of your DPS, with the exception of your pets, are coming from your DoTs. You have a Skillspeed DoT modifier of 1.0001295. At 600 Skillspeed, your DoTs are being boosted by *1.031857. So a Bio, fully buffed via Crit or w/e, goes from 522 -> 538 Potency. That's quite a lot. That's for 3 DoTs, and again, DoTs are making up 51% of your DPS. So, a +5 boost in Skillspeed makes you go from 111.796 PPS to 111.917, or *1.00108, which is about a 0.108% PPS increase.

+5 CRT only makes you go from 111.769 to 111.88 PPS, which is *1.000993119738031, or a 0.00993% PPS increase.

When you're not Auto-Attacking, the relative DPS contribution of WD, INT, DET and CRT are essentially slashed, with the exception of SS, as that doesn't affect your Auto-Attacks. Speaking of which, AA's are 20%-25% of your total DPS when bookwhacking, so that's a 25% hit per point of WD/INT/DET/CRT in terms of their relative DPS contribution.

(Note: The biggest issue is that you do not AA when you're casting a spell. So, even though you have an AA_DELAY of 3.12 or whatever it is on your books, that delay will be longer than it should be depending on your casts, so AAs dps contribution will be lower.)

So of course, if INT is doing less damage per point without AA's, but SS is still keeping 100% of its DPS contribution, (and due to how stat-weights are calculated), this will inflate SS's weight. If INTs DPS contribution was higher without AAs, then SS weight would decrease, if that makes sense?

But as I said, I still need to work on Pets, get the rotation working and put in a working Aetherflow + Dreadwyrm Trance Model to accurately track PPS increases and other stuff.

Long way to go still, but I'm getting it done!

[Minorinz]

It will be clear once the formula is out. I still have my doubts so that's what im "don't evening" about <_<

[Minorinz]

Excuse my double post, but I need to know if anyone can get more than 1313 on garuda at i198 on a dummy ;-;

[Sleigh]

What was the time on this parse Sleigh?

I always go to about 3m40s, which is after your Deathflare. Semi-cheesy ending, but it's about when melee are dry anyway, and you could pretty much always end a fight with Deathflare in this time window if you were to have a 3m-ish time.

But think about it this way. 51% of your DPS, with the exception of your pets, are coming from your DoTs. You have a Skillspeed DoT modifier of 1.0001295. At 600 Skillspeed, your DoTs are being boosted by *1.031857. So a Bio, fully buffed via Crit or w/e, goes from 522 -> 538 Potency. That's quite a lot. That's for 3 DoTs, and again, DoTs are making up 51% of your DPS. So, a +5 boost in Skillspeed makes you go from 111.796 PPS to 111.917, or *1.00108, which is about a 0.108% PPS increase.

+5 CRT only makes you go from 111.769 to 111.88 PPS, which is *1.000993119738031, or a 0.00993% PPS increase.

When you're not Auto-Attacking, the relative DPS contribution of WD, INT, DET and CRT are essentially slashed, with the exception of SS, as that doesn't affect your Auto-Attacks. Speaking of which, AA's are 20%-25% of your total DPS when bookwhacking, so that's a 25% hit per point of WD/INT/DET/CRT in terms of their relative DPS contribution.

(Note: The biggest issue is that you do not AA when you're casting a spell. So, even though you have an AA_DELAY of 3.12 or whatever it is on your books, that delay will be longer than it should be depending on your casts, so AAs dps contribution will be lower.)
Long way to go still, but I'm getting it done!

AAs are about 90 damage per 2.5s-ish, something like 30 DPS after crits with full uptime. Considering we do 1300~ actual DPS already regardless of auto-attacks, and that auto-attacks scale terribly/not at all with certain stats, I'd be very curious where you're getting 20-25% of our total DPS, because it looks more like 2-3% at best.

Also DoTs are more like 30% of our total DPS now. Ruin/R2/R3 are about 20%, DoTs are 30%, Deathflare + Fester + Pain are 20-25% depending on crits, Pet is 25% including Enkindle, then of course 2% auto-attacks (on a dummy, standing in front of it 100% and getting copious R2 amounts and always a M2 during DWT). It all changes in actual encounters of course (DoTs and Death/Fester/Pain usually go up due to party buffs and AoEing/multis, Ruin goes down, Pet can stay around where it is depending on Enkindle's goodness), but that's what it's like on a dummy.

[T0rin]

I've been trying to re-learn a new, better opener and improve my gameplay in general. I went from a static that had DRG/NIN/BRD, and was easily pulling top DPS, in the realms of what I thought were pretty solid numbers.

Then I transitioned to a new static that has DRG/MNK/MCH and my number have dropped noticeably. What are some ~i200 numbers that I can aim for in A1S-A3S to know that I'm at least 90% effective.

[Dervy]

51% of all GCDs. This does not include Pets or oCDs such as Deathflare, Painflare etc. I'm modelling this using a parse from Klorex Black, which he sent me. (his 1.2k DPS video)

Oh boy, okay I fixed the problem with AA's. The calc was using the wrong cell, because even I thought 20% was too high... So basically, even as A Book-Whacker, SS is still being valued higher than CRT. But yeh, you get where I'm going at. Basically, SS is high because the INT/DET/CRT contribution to DPS is low.