Connecting the DoTs: A Summoner Guide

[Dervy]

Nah. There's no way "Skillspeed" (the actual one this time, that affects Physical Jobs like Dragoon) should affect Pets. They changed it in 3.0. Only Spellspeed affects it.

Sorry, sorry for the confusion with Skill/Spellspeed. Just, being involved with Monk/Dragoon/Bard stuff every day nearly really gets to my head.

EDIT:

Like, I keep hearing mixed things about Spellspeed and the interaction with cast times of pets. I know SS doesn't affect the rate of Ifrits AAs, but I keep hearing a lot of things about the cast-time interaction with SS and Pets...

If someone can confirm once and for all whether it does or doesn't affect pet cast times, this will seriously help me.

Sorted it, dw It doesn't. And even if it affects Cast Times, it doesn't matter. The recast time will still be the case.

Right, this makes doing Pet work SO much easier, oh my god.

[Charybdis]

Right, this makes doing Pet work SO much easier, oh my god.

With this in mind, do you need me to keep testing SS with consistent WD/INT/DET/CRT? I'm still building data point for this. Just curious what you want me gathering at this point!

[Dervy]

Yup. It affects damage, and I need that scale factor. Just... You need to be careful about isolating Crit, Skill/Spellspeed increase from Pet Trait, and non-crit values.

[T0rin]

Yup. It affects damage, and I need that scale factor. Just... You need to be careful about isolating Crit, Skill/Spellspeed increase from Pet Trait, and non-crit values.

So pet damage scales with speed like DoTs do?

[ecastle2]

So pet damage scales with speed like DoTs do?

It scales in the sense that they attack more often because they have a shorter recast timer. It doesn't increase the raw damage they do per hit.

[T0rin]

It scales in the sense that they attack more often because they have a shorter recast timer. It doesn't increase the raw damage they do per hit.

Oh, I thought someone said that wasn't how it worked. Alright, nevermind, silly question then. Thanks.

[Charybdis]

Yup. It affects damage, and I need that scale factor. Just... You need to be careful about isolating Crit, Skill/Spellspeed increase from Pet Trait, and non-crit values.

I'm being extremely careful to not raise any other attributes and JUST SS as well as stopping pet attacks when the Enhanced Trait pops to get a baseline for damage alone. Don't worry about that!

[Minorinz]

Sigh. I give up.

It's days like this I wish I had 60 SMN ;_;

yeah it should help see what you are missing, you seem like you need some insight.

Don't you realize that the same analysis determines the values of both? If you don't have anything on SS, you don't have anything on Crit. They're both relative to each other, so unless you know how _relatively good_ SS is, you have no idea how _relatively good_ Crit is. You can't understand the value of one without understanding the value of another.
You don't need a level 60 SMN to recognized a horrible argument for what it is.

You don't have to stack ss to realize how crit works just like how stacking crit with not that much main stat is not the smartest thing for example, and yes, it's a no brainer when a stat is already that strong and so obvious. Like I said, again, I parse a lot. I look at my parse data to improve. Guess what? It works perfectly fine. I check other people's parses and analyze those on every level to see how it played out differently, it interests me. I have yet to see someone who can break a decent parse with ss stacked vs crit/det on mutiple tries. I've noticed how pot/raging/dwt with different crit rate values and it can make a difference of 40-50 dps in total at 3:38 min parse. I'm not talking 5-10 dps difference, i'm talking about way more. Stats theory crafting is nice but it's not always practical. Let's see how this goes, if ss is truly that good. People do have choices after all, feel free to drift away with this if you see something good coming out of it. Man, these tests do take forever don't they?

[Charybdis]

Update:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

Quick update before bed, will be testing through the weekend. At +74 Spell Speed and seeing no changes in damage for pets. Can probably milk another +40-60 Spell Speed before I can't maintain the WD/INT/CRT/DET baseline, Dervy. Thoughts?

[Charybdis]

snip.

This is from Dervy, Judge. He hit his post limit:

Hit post count limit on the forums lmfao, so I can't post it. But, 792 CRT = 15.2% CRT, which means Pets scale CRT higher than Jobs, lmao?

1-(1-17*0.2)2 = 6.64% per 3s to proc

6.68%/3 = 2.228% per sec to proc

1/2.228 = 44.8806s per proc

1+0.28/44.8806 = *1.035650133 SS multiplier on average for ifrit @ 792 Crit**

Garuda is roughly half of that.

Adding the Enhanced Pet Trait on Skillspeed actually increased my SS a bit more. It's now on-par with Determination, almost.