"Please Kick Me..." - Just Take Your Penalty

[RiceisNice]

So you're telling me if I get a MNK in Titan HM with an ilevel 37 weapon for example everyone's just supposed to suck it up and be denied a kick if asked or take a 30 minutes lockout, because you've 'seen' some pugs perform amazingly well undergeared? That doesn't sound right.
I'll say those words again though "pugs perform amazingly well undergeared"

If you're wiping due to dps checks in titan HM at this point of the game (espif it's your roulette), you have more problems at present than just the monk.

While I agree that one should not have super high expectations of DF, there are some groups that are FAR below average even for DF groups. For example, I recently did a DF Mog HM where the DPS would not stop pushing the king and causing wipes. We wiped about 5 times before I left. I would be surprised if anyone really thinks that is unreasonable; we're not even talking about bad players at that point, but ones who don't listen/won't follow simple instructions (yes it was explained to them beforehand).

That's where vote abandon kicks in. If the dps were a group of 4 who were purposely making it impossible to progress and they even admit to it, it's harassment and reportable. If they werent premade, you could just vote kick one of them since it's well within the line of "kicking for playstyle difference".

Penalty timers should never have been a thing. There are other ways of preventing people from fishing for in-progress duties or trying to cherry-pick dungeons. Players should never play a game when it's an unfun chore. Forcing players to play together when they don't want to will just increase the misery of the community. Also, individual players who are being mistreated by a group should have a better out than the prospect of a 30 min lockout from playing. I don't think it's fair to assume that every individual that wants to quit a team is in the wrong.

Get rid of one, and flood gates open for another. If we had no penalties, people would just keep on fishing and fishin for whatever dungeon they want through roulette. No leafers would ever get tam-tara done if people could bail out immediately without a penalty.

And again, it's not forcing you to stay in the party. Why do people feel so inclined that they're forced to stay, when they can straight up leave with a 30 minute timer?

A player that's being mistreated by a group/pre-made is unavoidable, but if they feel the need to have to harass the outlier or otherwise halt progression for malicious intent (such as trolling), it's reportable, especially if it's made clear.

I'm willing to bet there'd be a lot less need for votekick and a lot less bad behavior in general if people were allowed to leave situations in which they were unhappy without being punished for it.

And now we're left with a problem of getting certain duties completed for leafers or people who legitmately need it. Ones like Chysyallis, SoF and the lowbie trio.