"Please Kick Me..." - Just Take Your Penalty

[SuperZay]

Signing up on duty finder is a contract. When you run a dungeon using duty finder, you are agreeing to help a party complete an instance in exchange for a reward. The reward varies; it could be roulette tomestone bonus, it could be a chance at relic drops, it could be experience points - regardless of the reward, it is what you get by holding through on your end of the bargain.

While I generally agree with your point of view, sometimes you feel like it will be impossible or too long (up to timeout) to complete the duty with said party, and you don't have time to wait for another half hour. Yes, it's an MMO, a time consuming game, but that doesn't mean you HAVE to consume more time than necessary. If you can cut some time somehow, like ask the fail party to kick you, there's nothing wrong with it, in fact it's an efficient time management. You have a lot of spare time, be my guest, stay with them, but not all people are like you.

[RiceisNice]

While I generally agree with your point of view, sometimes you feel like it will be impossible or too long (up to timeout) to complete the duty with said party, and you don't have time to wait for another half hour. Yes, it's an MMO, a time consuming game, but that doesn't mean you HAVE to consume more time than necessary. If you can cut some time somehow, like ask the fail party to kick you, there's nothing wrong with it, in fact it's an efficient time management. You have a lot of spare time, be my guest, stay with them, but not all people are like you.

That's what vote abandon is for. And the red flags for a bad party are immediately present anyway, and surprise, people would leave after the first wipe or even upon entering the instance.

[Syrehn]

If you can cut some time somehow, like ask the fail party to kick you, there's nothing wrong with it, in fact it's an efficient time management.

Efficient time management would be planning for a full dungeon run before you even queue up. If the group is truly that bad there is always vote abandon.

[Purrfectstorm]

Efficient time management would be planning for a full dungeon run before you even queue up. If the group is truly that bad there is always vote abandon.

Bad groups always decline vote abandons. If it's the group that's bad, the voting player is outnumbered. Then the group usually starts fighting and ranting about "elitists" who have high DF expectations.

While I agree that one should not have super high expectations of DF, there are some groups that are FAR below average even for DF groups. For example, I recently did a DF Mog HM where the DPS would not stop pushing the king and causing wipes. We wiped about 5 times before I left. I would be surprised if anyone really thinks that is unreasonable; we're not even talking about bad players at that point, but ones who don't listen/won't follow simple instructions (yes it was explained to them beforehand).

What I don't get is...

If "differing playstyles" is a valid reason to kick someone from a group, why then is someone who voluntarily chooses to remove themselves from a group due to differing playstyles penalized for doing so? If someone realizes that they aren't meshing with a party (for example, three people want a speed run and one person doesn't), it's far better that they take the mature route of simply excusing themselves from the situation and trying to find a group that matches what they're looking for than it is for them to stay and try to sabotage the run/get themselves kicked or conveniently "DC." And I don't think they should be punished for doing so because they didn't do anything wrong; they simply happened to be matched with a group who had a different playstyle.

I'm willing to bet there'd be a lot less need for votekick and a lot less bad behavior in general if people were allowed to leave situations in which they were unhappy without being punished for it.

I 100% agree.

Just looking at someone's gear isn't always true indicator of how well they will perform

True, but a person's skill level is constrained by gear level; there are attacks you won't survive and DPS checks you won't pass, no matter how good you are, if you don't have appropriate gear. Furthermore, even a successful run can end up being miserable if things are dying 2-3x slower. All players should keep in mind the team-oriented nature of an MMO and gear appropriately out of respect for their team members.