"Please Kick Me..." - Just Take Your Penalty

[CyrilLucifer]

It's 6:30pm. I enter Brayflox HM (can be completed in 15 minutes, 20-22 minutes max). I have a raid at 7pm. My Brayflox HM group is so bad we're at boss 2 and it's 6:57pm. 1 option would hold up a raid group for 27 minutes, the other (if you stick it out) it could be 10-20 minutes, depending on the duty). Remind me again how under no circumstances is it acceptable to ask to be kicked? As for "reporting" people for "holding a group hostage", how about you holding someone's raid group hostage? Or how about, you stop trying to punish people because they don't share your ideology, we all know you'd be the first crybabies complaining if you got punished for not sharing someone else's ideology.

I'd honestly say this is entirely your fault for entering the dungeon so close to raid time even despite seemingly "having enough time." My groups tend to have restrictions about arriving early and avoiding certain events precisely because things like this do happen.

So, you set yourself up for failure there, knowing how close you're cutting it. This is your fault, not the group's.

[Assirra]

It's 6:30pm. I enter Brayflox HM (can be completed in 15 minutes, 20-22 minutes max). I have a raid at 7pm. My Brayflox HM group is so bad we're at boss 2 and it's 6:57pm. 1 option would hold up a raid group for 27 minutes, the other (if you stick it out) it could be 10-20 minutes, depending on the duty). Remind me again how under no circumstances is it acceptable to ask to be kicked? As for "reporting" people for "holding a group hostage", how about you holding someone's raid group hostage? Or how about, you stop trying to punish people because they don't share your ideology, we all know you'd be the first crybabies complaining if you got punished for not sharing someone else's ideology.

It's called having the responsibility to your raid team and not start stuff you might not finish in time.
It seems those tomes/exp were more important then them.

[Kolaina]

what exactly is the reason ppl refuse to kick those who request to be removed? ive seen the demand for punishment or the demand that ppl continue to play with them, but no reason stating why.
please note im not for ppl who dont like the dungeon they got. if i can stick it out in aurum vale (even though its actually one of my favorite places) so can they.
but im seeing alot of ppl with no leniency or compromise here

[Velisra]

So, right now my husband is stuck in a dungeon with a total jerk who is pulling this crap. IDK what the tank's problem is, but he's spamming "Dismiss me!" and adding a sound trigger to that somehow so that there's this annoying noise in addition to the chat spam. This has been going on for at least 20 minutes now, and the other three party members have been moving along in the dungeon without the tank.

And now, the tank has apparently logged out of the game. This has been a total waste of game time for my husband.

Why are people such jerks?

[Kolaina]

This has been a total waste of game time for my husband.

now im in no way on the side of the tank especially if he became a nuisance. but why not dismiss this individual in the first place? is it because he wanted to be kicked? ive seen ppl kick someone just for not having a DoT up or a drg not using heavy thrust. but we'll keep someone around who doesnt want to be there for the sake of principle

and if they were able to continue along with out him they could have been searchin for a new tank this whole time

[Mykll]

now im in no way on the side of the tank especially if he became a nuisance. but why not dismiss this individual in the first place? is it because he wanted to be kicked? ive seen ppl kick someone just for not having a DoT up or a drg not using heavy thrust. but we'll keep someone around who doesnt want to be there for the sake of principle

and if they were able to continue along with out him they could have been searchin for a new tank this whole time

And instead of spamming and harassing the group, that tank could have immediately left instead of being a jerk about it and spamming chat.

[Kolaina]

And instead of spamming and harassing the group, that tank could have immediately left instead of being a jerk about it and spamming chat.

this is a double edged sword now isnt it. in my honest opinion neither party took the more reasonable approach.
alot of this 'my way or nothin' goin on from both sides

[Malevicton]

And instead of spamming and harassing the group, that tank could have immediately left instead of being a jerk about it and spamming chat.

That would've been better, but he's obviously not going to, so why not just kick? What practical function does not kicking serve?

It doesn't help the group. It's just childish and petty. Very much a "you were a dick to me so I'm gonna be a dick to you" mentality. It's not like dickishness cancels out, now there are just twice as many dicks as there would've been.

[RiceisNice]

So, right now my husband is stuck in a dungeon with a total jerk who is pulling this crap. IDK what the tank's problem is, but he's spamming "Dismiss me!" and adding a sound trigger to that somehow so that there's this annoying noise in addition to the chat spam. This has been going on for at least 20 minutes now, and the other three party members have been moving along in the dungeon without the tank.

And now, the tank has apparently logged out of the game. This has been a total waste of game time for my husband.

Why are people such jerks?

Whether or not you want to kick them is on the party's accord. I'm never on the side of the person that wants to get themselves dismissed just to dodge the 30-minute penalty. The end result though should always lead to a collective report to individuals like that tank.

[Velisra]

@Kolaina, if the tank didn't want to be there, he shouldn't have queued up for the dungeon. If you queue up, you need to do your job, not stand around and whine for a Dismiss the moment you think something has gone wrong.

This tank evidently thought the dps players were bad. The issue was more that the tank had very poor gear--and some slots were empty--so he was probably having issues keeping hate and wanted to blame the dps.

The party wasn't interested in helping the tank to dodge his 30 minute penalty, especially right after the first two pulls of the run. The healer filed a report, and a GM contacted her while the tank was offline, and said that logs would be reviewed and action taken if warranted, etc. When the tank returned--hoping that he'd been kicked already I'm sure--the party did vote to dismiss, and got a new tank almost immediately.

Sorry, but disruptive players need to get what they deserve in situations like that.