"Please Kick Me..." - Just Take Your Penalty

[Adire]

If they kicked you without a word (talking behind your backs, or theres no tracable party log), it's not a player dispute because there's nothing disputed. If they threatened to kick you, or otherwise hold you/the party hostage with intent to waste their time/troll, it's clear cut player harassment, not a player dispute.

Yeah.

They argued with us.

And they threatened to kick us, and did so. So it was definitely a player dispute. And in SE's own words, they do not do anything about player disputes. Apparently even when one side is completely in the wrong.

Sad really :\ I wish SE would take a stronger stance on things. Whether or not they punish players who do things like this should not even be iffy.

I've found it's better to just be kick-happy when you're dealing with premades, and stop abuse from happening in the first place. Normally I try my hardest not to start a kick, but with premades that is risking your own skin.

[RiceisNice]

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From my past experience, threatening to kick for no particular reason (or a very bad reason, like cheating out of a DF penalty) is still player harassment, not a two sided dispute (which can still have a "wrong" perspective). Your screenshot is a response when you weren't online I think, and completely different circumstance? I would've pressured it further to get a live-chat with a GM. That's mostly how all of my reports have gone; they usually respond within the next 2 hours.

If SE isn't being respondent about it, then you have to be a bit more agressive if you want something to actually change regarding their policies or thinking. I mean we've had a few mentions on the forums where some of the GMs seem to have a few loose screws.

[Adire]

I'd consider it harassment too. A GM is likely going to look at it from an outside perspective though, and in an attempt to be "unbiased", may be too quick to deem it a dispute rather than harassment. "Disagreement" and "dispute" are synonymous after all.

I've actually only reported someone once before for very obviously griefing in a dungeon. Not sure if anything was done to them, but the GM did not bring up anything about playstyle differences or player disputes thankfully.

The screenshot I posted isn't my screenshot by the way, it's just one I found in an old thread a while back. Someone showed it to me when I was advocating that people use the report feature, and I saved the screenshot to share in future discussions. I've also saved a few more related things.

I'm just hoping to spread awareness about this policy. It seems a lot of people don't know about it, and it's one of the most shocking and confusing sentiments shown by GMs in my opinion. Especially when you see the kick window have in big red letters saying that vote kick abuse is punishable.

Having that, then saying vague, broad things like "playstyle differences" and "player disputes" are legitimate reasons to kick is not a good combination. These two things can mean pretty much any kick is "justifiable".

[Slipikin]

Wow...you guys are mad that people don't want to stay in dungeons with you, so you come on here and whine. Then people offer differing opinions on the forum and you report them for harassment? I bet you're a lot of fun in the real world... /puke

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Can you please show where people said they were going to report others for having a different opinion? Don't act like you're somehow better than the other side.

[RiceisNice]

Wow...you guys are mad that people don't want to stay in dungeons with you, so you come on here and whine. Then people offer differing opinions on the forum and you report them for harassment? I bet you're a lot of fun in the real world... /puke

It's like you completely missed the context of everything that was said in here.

Why do they not want to stay in the dungeon? How did they get into that dungeon in the first place? Why do they want to skip out on a penalty that's given for leaving a dungeon?

[loreleidiangelo]

If they add a penalty for votekick then all you'll see on the forums are people raging about how leaving a dungeon needs a longer penalty because they have nothing else to do besides make angry forum threads while waiting for a replacement healer to queue IP for AV. Blame Square for making such dungeons with totally bogus design flaws or the general playerbase for being so terrible at this game that most people don't even want to give groups who start those instances with them a chance.

SE will never be able to punish "meanies" enough for you to feel justified in your impotent nerd rage, nor would they ever punish those players enough where they will actually bother to modify their behavior. It's not like the game makes you sit in a corner for that 30-minute lockout and think about what you did. Either boot them or vote abandon when the option comes up.

...I feel like this thread is more about wanting to hold tanks and healers hostage more than anything. All a DPS has to do is blink wrong and they're given the axe. If vote kicks were really so precious like the forums want me to believe, why does the window pop up almost instantly anytime a DPS's connection takes a sneeze? (Had this happen in a Library run the other day; I, BRD, voted no, but the WAR and the WHM voted yes. SHOCKING, I KNOW. The other DPS had been gone no longer than 30 seconds.)

[MilesSaintboroguh]

But why don't you tell me how you really feel about that?

[SuperZay]

You and the other party members can collectively report them. This is considered holding the party hostage (at least is what a GM called it when I made a similar report, except this was in T4)

Not sure what you mean by 'holding the party hostage' if a person is sitting/afking etc. Just votekick him. People who refuse to votekick me are holding me a party hostage in this case too. Should I report them for refusing to votekick me?

[RiceisNice]

Not sure what you mean by 'holding the party hostage' if a person is sitting/afking etc. Just votekick him. People who refuse to votekick me are holding me a party hostage in this case too. Should I report them for refusing to votekick me?

Unlike leaving a party, vote kick has a cooldown. The people who don't want to vote kick are not the ones trying to circumvent a penalty in this example. If everyone did this because of no penalty, and the fact it's not YOUR cooldown that's being used, you're shit out of luck if everyone has their kick on cooldown. Which might as well be the case if everyone has the option to be vote kicked to avoid a penalty for whatever reason.

They're the one who purposely instigated delaying the party first for their own reason, whether it be to avoid a penalty or just to troll the party, both of which is player harassment.