"Please Kick Me..." - Just Take Your Penalty

[Purrfectstorm]

Efficient time management would be planning for a full dungeon run before you even queue up. If the group is truly that bad there is always vote abandon.

Bad groups always decline vote abandons. If it's the group that's bad, the voting player is outnumbered. Then the group usually starts fighting and ranting about "elitists" who have high DF expectations.

While I agree that one should not have super high expectations of DF, there are some groups that are FAR below average even for DF groups. For example, I recently did a DF Mog HM where the DPS would not stop pushing the king and causing wipes. We wiped about 5 times before I left. I would be surprised if anyone really thinks that is unreasonable; we're not even talking about bad players at that point, but ones who don't listen/won't follow simple instructions (yes it was explained to them beforehand).

What I don't get is...

If "differing playstyles" is a valid reason to kick someone from a group, why then is someone who voluntarily chooses to remove themselves from a group due to differing playstyles penalized for doing so? If someone realizes that they aren't meshing with a party (for example, three people want a speed run and one person doesn't), it's far better that they take the mature route of simply excusing themselves from the situation and trying to find a group that matches what they're looking for than it is for them to stay and try to sabotage the run/get themselves kicked or conveniently "DC." And I don't think they should be punished for doing so because they didn't do anything wrong; they simply happened to be matched with a group who had a different playstyle.

I'm willing to bet there'd be a lot less need for votekick and a lot less bad behavior in general if people were allowed to leave situations in which they were unhappy without being punished for it.

I 100% agree.

Just looking at someone's gear isn't always true indicator of how well they will perform

True, but a person's skill level is constrained by gear level; there are attacks you won't survive and DPS checks you won't pass, no matter how good you are, if you don't have appropriate gear. Furthermore, even a successful run can end up being miserable if things are dying 2-3x slower. All players should keep in mind the team-oriented nature of an MMO and gear appropriately out of respect for their team members.

[Stormrider]

Signing up on duty finder is a contract. When you run a dungeon using duty finder, you are agreeing to help a party complete an instance in exchange for a reward. The reward varies; it could be roulette tomestone bonus, it could be a chance at relic drops, it could be experience points - regardless of the reward, it is what you get by holding through on your end of the bargain.

This +1 /slow clap

[Purrfectstorm]

Signing up on duty finder is a contract. When you run a dungeon using duty finder, you are agreeing to help a party complete an instance in exchange for a reward.

This may be true to some extent (I think the word "contract" is a bit strong), but I don't think that one's individual desires need be tossed out the window. You agree to help the party but I think you are allowed to have reasonable expectations of mutuality: that other players will be respectful, appropriately geared, and decent contributors to the party's success.

If they aren't that bad, then tough it out, get the damn thing over with.

In this case, I think context is everything - we're playing a game, which is meant to be fun.

Yes, vote kicking someone circumvents the penalty timer, but people only ever leave/worry about the penalty timer because they're not having fun (or could be having more fun doing something else). It seems odd to take the stance that people should prevent someone who's not having fun from going to have fun with other people. It's even stranger when you consider that that player can just force DC or, even worse, troll the party in unprovable ways (like pretending to be bad, messing up mechanics, etc.) The vote dismiss seems better for not just the player who wants to go but for everyone (including other parties the player may help in that 30 min window you're trying to keep them from playing).

Penalty timers should never have been a thing. There are other ways of preventing people from fishing for in-progress duties or trying to cherry-pick dungeons. Players should never play a game when it's an unfun chore. Forcing players to play together when they don't want to will just increase the misery of the community. Also, individual players who are being mistreated by a group should have a better out than the prospect of a 30 min lockout from playing. I don't think it's fair to assume that every individual that wants to quit a team is in the wrong.

[Goodberry]

It's both funny and sad that so many people get so worked up about such a negligible "problem".

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

It's funny but awesomely hilarious how offended people get over what's basically a non issue. If you're getting this a lot, maybe you should play your role better? Nah, easier to just whine on the forums.

GIFSoup

[KingOfAbyss]

It's funny but awesomely hilarious how offended people get over what's basically a non issue. If you're getting this a lot, maybe you should play your role better? Nah, easier to just whine on the forums.

Maybe it's me but I'm trying to follow your thoughts here.

It has nothing to do with any abilities, cause even before we can start a trial or dungeon, people ask to kick them out o.O

On topic:

Can't say much on my side since I'm mainly the Tank, and.. no matter what the game throw at me, I'll do my best until the end.

I've got some of the best time playing this game when, where everyone thinks we'll be doomed, 9 Mins left on the timer, we give it one last shot.. and.. we SUCCEED!

That is what gives the thrill of the battle, and to enjoy a good time, with people from all over the world.

Now if some starts to behave like kiddies, and begins to swear/abuse/whatever, there is a report button.

As some have stated here: Time management. You know a Dungeon "can" last 90 mins, so you should have time set for it.

You have real-life issues? Well then, leave by yourself, cause you won't be in front of your computer for 30min because of.. "REAL" life issues anyway.

And in my case, since I'm tank and my GF will soon join forces as Healer.. to replenish a DPS, fair enough, it shouldn't be long.

Let's all Grow up; it's only a dungeon, we'll get our rewards and duty done, like a team all over the world.

Come on guys, let's enjoy this game! (ok except the stupid side quests, now I hate moogles >.< )

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

I'm just trying to wrap my head around these complaints. Supposedly this has been happening for a while, yet in over a year of playing this game and pretty much spamming dungeons and trials, I have never once had this happen, so naturally there's gotta be something else people aren't bringing up. I haven't even got these requests during SoF when it required a group to be awake.

[Gralna]

I'm just trying to wrap my head around these complaints. Supposedly this has been happening for a while, yet in over a year of playing this game and pretty much spamming dungeons and trials, I have never once had this happen, so naturally there's gotta be something else people aren't bringing up. I haven't even got these requests during SoF when it required a group to be awake.

Fairly easy, a small portion of the community feels entitled to only have to run what they want to, and they'll resort to forced DC'ing, AFK, or outright asking for a kick before even the first pull is made, just so they don't have to run a duty they don't want. These aren't situation where someone is in a bad party, and just wants to be kicked (which is also an attitude I abhor, just take your penalty), most situations I've come across are people asking for this right out of the gate, which is the issue most of the people in this thread are upset about.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Oh, well, if THAT'S the case, I don't really have anything to say about that. Don't understand the desire to not be in a party that'll make the instance impossible, but different boats.

[Noira]

I honestly just take the penalty because I'm probably just going to take a nap anyway. <.<

Though in fairness I only leave because someone else leaves at the beginning of a dungeon.

I don't ask to be kicked either way because well 30mins isn't that big of a damn deal. I either go have self girl fun time or watch DBZ Abridged to pass the time or well like I said take a nap.