"Please Kick Me..." - Just Take Your Penalty

[Dante_V]

We only get the option to kick someone once every 8 hours. You just kicked someone whos wasn't annoying. Next dgn you go into theres a troll and no one can kick him cause we're all on cooldowns for being nice and kicking the random 'nice' person who didn't wish to wait 30mins for entering an instance he didn't like/want.

There are also two other people in your party able to initiate a kick against him if you previously used yours. Let's not pretend people asking to be kicked is such a common occurrence that your entire team will constantly be on vote kick cool down. In fact I've never been in a single group where the entire team was on vote kick cool down. This is more like an extreme exception rather than the rule which kind of adds to the ridiculousness of the argument.

[Malevicton]

D) Who cares, just kick and replace.

This really doesn't work as a viable solution imo because the offenders get off scot-free to keep on offending other groups.

As someone who's been saying this, I haven't been claiming it's somehow a solution. Ideally people should get some sort of punishment for circumventing the system. You can still kick the person and then report them. I just still have yet to see how not kicking a person works as any sort of punishment. It seems like a very knee-jerk reaction. You don't want to give in to the person, so you withhold what they want out of reflex. But it doesn't really punish the person, it punishes the whole group. Now you've just got a dead spot in the group that's not being replaced. It's not gonna deter this behavior in the future, they're already alt tabbed on Netflix. It's purely to feel better about one's self.

There's really nothing at this point a player can do to punish someone besides reporting them. So report them. Don't try to come up with some roundabout way to impose morality on people online; that never works. Just kick, report (if you care enough), and move on with your life.

[RiceisNice]

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It does no better than to "reward" them for snobby behavior either. At that point, it's utterly a loss loss for the group. You either oblige them and encourage that behavior because of the fact it works, or burden the party with them (and possibly kick them out at the end to get a replacement for a 2/3 in progress, maybe. Especially if they're dps). Having a DF penalty for getting kicked would also alleviate the problem a little bit. And of course, collective player reports can go a long way.

"They're already wasting my time, why not waste their time too?" could be the general census of the other 3 players, especially if the one that's trying to cheat out is a tank.

[Malevicton]

They aren't quite the same loss, though. On the one hand you kick and wait for a replacement, on the other you wait for them to leave and then continue waiting for a replacement. And that's assuming they ever leave. They might just alt tab Netflix, or go for a walk, or try to get the group killed, etc. Reports or adding a penalty I can get on board with, but I still don't see how not kicking someone relates to those things at all. You can kick them and still report them, or kick them and support getting a penalty.

"'They're already wasting my time, why not waste their time too?' could be the general census of the other 3 players, especially if the one that's trying to cheat out is a tank." That's practically the definition of petty. If that's what the whole group wants, then fine, but I don't think it's advisable, and certainly isn't commendable.

[Raiya]

Tbh considering the toxicity of the ffxiv community in general its nearly better to just logoff till they kick you. If someones asking you to kick them its better to just do it. I myself if I get a lousy roulette in trials will usually give em one shot otherwise Ill either ask to be kicked or simply log off until they do. Like it or hate it but chalk it up to game design

[MilesSaintboroguh]

How is it the game's fault that you didn't get what you wanted? If you want to avoid certain dungeons or trials, then pick the ones you want manually. If you want a flawless run every time, then get some friends with you.

[Syrehn]

Tbh considering the toxicity of the ffxiv community in general its nearly better to just logoff till they kick you. If someones asking you to kick them its better to just do it. I myself if I get a lousy roulette in trials will usually give em one shot otherwise Ill either ask to be kicked or simply log off until they do. Like it or hate it but chalk it up to game design

The words "Toxic Community" get thrown around far to much. It's not the game's fault you didn't get a duty you wanted or the run isn't going as smooth as you'd like and no one is forcing you to stay in those runs, you can gracefully bow out. After reading what you said about how you log off/afk to force a kick from your party it shows that it's not the community that's toxic but mindset's like the one you demonstrated.

Raiya I have a legitimate question for you since you're someone who admits to d/c'ing/afk'ing to force their party to kick you. Do you think you would be less likely to behave in this manner if a vote kick resulted in your character receiving a 30 minute penalty timer or equivalent repercussion?

[Assirra]

Tbh considering the toxicity of the ffxiv community in general its nearly better to just logoff till they kick you. If someones asking you to kick them its better to just do it. I myself if I get a lousy roulette in trials will usually give em one shot otherwise Ill either ask to be kicked or simply log off until they do. Like it or hate it but chalk it up to game design

Talks about the "toxic community"

Does stuff like that

[Erim-Nelhah]

I agree that something should be done to discourage this. I stated my opinion on what I would do above, but that doesn't mean I like that people can be kicked without penalty.

That said, I don't think the loss of your roulette bonus is an appropriate penalty, so how about this: When you get kicked the first time, you get a stack of a hidden debuff, called "kicked from duty". Also, when you get kicked, you get a 10 minute penalty timer per stack of the debuff you have (calculated before the next stack is added). This means that the first time you get kicked, there's no penalty, Second time, 10 minutes, Third time, 20 minutes, etc. The "kicked from duty" debuff lasts for 18 hours and the timer both runs when you're offline and resets on getting a stack of it.

This would discourage people from repeatedly asking to be kicked (and such requests could still be reported), and also encourage those with flaky internet connections to try to figure out why they're disconnecting so much.

Tbh considering the toxicity of the ffxiv community in general its nearly better to just logoff till they kick you. If someones asking you to kick them its better to just do it. I myself if I get a lousy roulette in trials will usually give em one shot otherwise Ill either ask to be kicked or simply log off until they do. Like it or hate it but chalk it up to game design

Thanks for posting this so that I know who you are if I ever get you in one of my groups. Might want to re-think that behavior, since if you're a DPS in my group, you force-dc because you don't like the roulette/group, and I think we can complete without your slot, I'll ask that the team doesn't boot you. Yet, if you had asked to be kicked and stated that you don't like the duty and don't think we can complete it, I might just have kicked you.

--Erim Nelhah

[lokinmodar]

I ALWAYS say: leave the party yourself. I'm note voting yes to kick you.