"Please Kick Me..." - Just Take Your Penalty

[MeeDeggiThePunisher]

Some people actually think they are being held hostage when the door is right there, lol!

[Malevicton]

Also, remember how well the penalty for withdrawing from a duty works lol. This community asks for penalties to try to get others to join and stay through a whole duty with them. The penalties don't work (in the case of the withdrawal penalty, people were never leaving to troll others, they were leaving because of long queues and doing RL stuff, which no penalty can resolve). Also, another tact would be to reward players for staying rather than penalize them for leaving, which the game already does with new player bonuses; maybe we should ask for higher bonuses rather than higher penalties? Just a thought.

Fishing for in progress was a thing, and was very annoying.

[Amiaze]

Hm, I honestly think it's just a sign that we, as a community, just need to grow and be more mature about the way we approach things. I said in another thread that I typically don't abandon a party unless they're rude; in the cases that I have, which are few and far between, I didn't ask to be kicked. I wished them a good day and just left, and took my penalty. Penalties aren't meant to be seen as just avoidable inconveniences. They're minor punishments for going against a code and being disruptive.

As others have reported, I've often seen players simply stand around and do nothing rather than leaving, keeping an entire party from progressing. This is a very bad mindset. You are allowed to do literally anything and everything else in the game except reenter an instance during your penalty time. But rather than accept a minor penalty, these players would just hold an entire party hostage, oftentimes for no other reason than "I don't want to run this dungeon". This is not behavior that we should entertain in a community.



EDIT: You know what else we shouldn't entertain? 1000 character limits. >_>

[MilesSaintboroguh]

I'll say it here and now; this is exact same thing people rallied against when queue withdraw penalties became a thing. I heard every excuse against it:

"I'll lose my materials from crafting!"
"I had to do an errand!"
"I needed to get food!"
"I had to go to the bathroom!"
"I was doing something else in game!"

Everyone comes up with some excuse to avoid taking responsibility and wasting everyone's time. If something else outside of the DF requires that much attention from you, then just go and deal with that and don't expect a free pass.

[Kaela]

I agree there is times where the system is abused to get booted to avoid timers. However, I do know of times where it is nessisary for a said player who is running to raid and the said group is having problems.

To elabirate, this happened just a week ago to a raid mate. He ran his expert and got 3 new people in the run. They were in there for over an hour wiping to the final boss. A run that should of taken him only 30 minutes took twice as long than it should of. He tried to vote abandon but they wouldn't say yes. He also tried to ask them boot him. Again no. He couldn't just leave or we wouldn't of been able to raid. We would of needed to get someone else.

What is one to do in one of those groups? You are stuck with them. Our raid mate stuck it out and we got an hour worth of raid in but it sucks if you need to leave, but can't because the other three are practically holding you hostage.

[myahele]

So you're asking us to treat you like a dog?

Might as well. People treat their dogs better than players in this game

[MilesSaintboroguh]

words

So they physically restrained him from leaving? He couldn't leave on his own accord because he feared that dreaded 30 minute time out that much? He wanted an easy way out that badly, despite wasting over 30 minutes of his own time wiping to the last boss?

Here's another thing I want people to answer. What do you do when someone asks to be kicked, but everyone says "Sorry, we used our vote kicks on this other group in a previous run." Is that person still being "held hostage?"

[Magistrella]

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you totally missed the point there - he couldnt leave and take the 30 min because he was already late (due to a dungeon taking 60 min instead of 20-30) and did not want to make his team (7 other people he knows) wait another 30 minutes because 3 other people were too stupid to kill a easy boss after multiple tries.
I actually draw my hat before that person, because of the speed they most likely were going i'd probably been gone after the first 5 min and just ate the penalty.

and to your question - idk and idc, if someone asks he gets the boot - less drama comes from that then refusing

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Ok, but that still doesn't answer my other question of when everyone already used their votes beforehand.

[Cakekizy]

How about we just implement a system where your entry regardless of clear counts for your roulette that way it forces people to stay for the full run, or get no credit.

Would they lose their roulette for day if group runs out timer without winning?