"Please Kick Me..." - Just Take Your Penalty

[RiceisNice]

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If it was 30~ minutes before raid, I personally wouldn't even queue up for anything anyway because its a liability to hold up your raid members, all things considered. Especially if you get 3 new people for an expert dungeon that it should've been a red lgiht for the run taking longer than usual. Could've bailed immediately that you have other matters to attend to and probably won't have time guiding three new people and still make raid time if it was 30 minutes to raid (and if it was less, then again, I'd have to question why you're even doing duty finder roulette that close to raid time).

Unless your raid was for Alexander savage, then all of that is out of the window because savage doesn't use duty finder...

[Miste]

If it was 30~ minutes before raid, I personally wouldn't even queue up for anything anyway because its a liability to hold up your raid members, all things considered. Especially if you get 3 new people for an expert dungeon that it should've been a red lgiht for the run taking longer than usual. Could've bailed immediately that you have other matters to attend to and probably won't have time guiding three new people and still make raid time if it was 30 minutes to raid (and if it was less, then again, I'd have to question why you're even doing duty finder roulette that close to raid time).

Unless your raid was for Alexander savage, then all of that is out of the window because savage doesn't use duty finder...

Oh I am not saying it wasn't his own fault really. Mistakes happen to the best of us though, and a little kindness and compassion goes a long way especially since he stuck it out knowing the members were new and with so many wipes until he was out of time, does that sound like a mean player to you? A lot of people would have given up far sooner.

Also bailing immediately on seeing the new member notice....is another thing a lot of people get angry with because they want kindness and compassion from fellow players to help them complete it. So it's kind of like pick your poison.

[RiceisNice]

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Bailing because don't want to put up with new players is one thing, bailing because you don't have time to put up with new players is anotehr thing. But in the end, it still comes to time management. You're really splitting hairs if you're trying to squeeze in a DF roulette 30 minutes before a scheduled raid. As a pseudo-raid leader, this is one of my pet peeves if I see somneone queuing up for a roulette when its 30> minutes before our meet up time, and I full well expect them to bail if it's going to take longer than that and the other 6 members and I are waiting for them since it's our savage progression night.

[Syrehn]

Oh I am not saying it wasn't his own fault really. Mistakes happen to the best of us though, and a little kindness and compassion goes a long way especially since he stuck it out knowing the members were new and with so many wipes until he was out of time, does that sound like a mean player to you? A lot of people would have given up far sooner.

Also bailing immediately on seeing the new member notice....is another thing a lot of people get angry with because they want kindness and compassion from fellow players to help them complete it. So it's kind of like pick your poison.

I guess my first red flag is that this player queued up for a dungeon so close to raid time assuming that they would get a quick clear. If you don't have time to stay for the entire dungeon countdown then don't queue imo.

That being said if the party doesn't want to disband (vote abandon) and they don't want to vote kick they are well within their rights to refuse; SE allotted the party x amount of time for the group to clear the content. Even if some players feel that it should/could be done faster the simple fact is that the entire party has until the timer ticks down. No one is preventing anyone from leaving on their own accord.

As mentioned, if you're going to queue for a duty finder group, go in with the expectation that it could take the entire dungeon timer depending on the party circumstances.

No one is saying that players should never ever show kindness/compassion in the odd scenario (this is personal choice) but don't get angry/retaliate at the party if they choose not to initiate a vote kick if asked (or if trying to force a kick via d/c); they are well within their rights to refuse.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Ok, but that still doesn't answer my other question of when everyone already used their votes beforehand.

[myahele]

Ok, but that still doesn't answer my other question of when everyone already used their votes beforehand.

They'd then proceed to fake dc thinking that atleast someone actually can/will initiate vote kick

[Assirra]

They'd then proceed to fake dc thinking that atleast someone actually can/will initiate vote kick

Might as well. People treat their dogs better than players in this game

Yea you are so much better then the rest...

[myahele]

Yea you are so much better then the rest...

Pot calling the kettle black? Sorry if I'm sick of people fake DCing to get out of a dungeon they don't like. Take the penalty, I know I do. 30m is nothing.

[Iromi]

I think if someone wants to leave, they should just leave. I will never kick someone when they ask...if they need to go, they can tolerate being out of the DF for 30 minutes.

Whenever I have to go, I just drop and take the penalty after apologizing to my group.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

If you can't commit some time to this game, then maybe you shouldn't be signing up for duties that you know that could pop at any minute. We already went through this song and dance when withdraw penalties were introduced and every crafter acted like crafting while in queue was punishing them. If you're waiting that long for a duty to pop, then perhaps you need to grab a few friends to help you out.